Wow i would be very interested on seeing T-Mac for Kidd, Carter and T-Mac together might be awesome it can conclude on a game where only 2 players take more than 2 FGA for a team.
Vince's knees are done and he's a shadow of this former self.Franklly,it's tough to watch him out there as his game was pedicated so much on that exposiveness....forget about him running the break and finishing....relegated to a jumpshooter. And while I know all those players on the ALL Star team said they would take Kidd,it's because they want him to serve them the rock.Jason is losing it.I know much of his game is not predicated on his athleticism,but there is a noticeable decline in any shooting ability he had and his defense sucks....huge contract...not motivated.....forget it. No way Scola or Landry are going anywhere...nor Shane for that matter. Aaron Brooks needs to be given the keys to the car.
I think the Nets will want a comparable star, so they probably won't trade. But, Kidd is 35, and has a huge salary, and has been an increasing source of stress to the organization, especially with his nasty divorce, and losing heart to play there. His trade value would primarily be to teams who thought he could put them over the top to win a championship ... and we are such a team. I think our rookies DO have considerable trade value, especially Scola, and he could be a solid piece for them, just as he could be for us. Alston also has considerable marketing value in that area, as a street legend, who could sell tickets, and be a veteran to give time for Marcus Williams to develop. If they trade Carter for younger talent, even Mike James veteran experience could be valuable to them for a couple years at SG. And, we could give them Snyder and Wells as expiring contracts. I don't think Francis would work. You can always add up to 3 million to a trade too, if Les wan't to open his cash vault. Perhaps they'd consider a combination of salary relief and new pieces, like the following trade: Scola/Snyder/Wells/James/Alston/pick/cash for Kidd/Allen/Armstrong. We would lose depth, and a valuable building piece. But, for the next couple years, as long as he stayed healthy, we COULD win a championship, IMHO. We'd have to pick up a couple players, like a Harris ... Yao/Deke Hayes/Landry/Allen Battier/Novak/(Harris?) TMac/Head/Francis Kidd/Brooks/Armstrong
I would. Carter is obviously the oldest of Carter, T-Mac, Jefferson (with RJ being the youngest). And historically the most injured. But he's working on his 3rd season now of "healthy" basketball. 79 games, all 82 games, 39 of 44 games this season. I would not do the draft picks though. As considerably better the team can look at times with Rafer than anyone else, it doesn't take a statistician to tell you... New Orleans = Chris Paul, Phoenix = Steve Nash, Dallas = Jason Terry/Harris, Denver = AI, San Antonio = Parker, Lakers = Fisher/Farmar, Golden State = BDiddy, Portland = Blake/Roy, Utah = Deron I would trade our PG's for any subset of the PG's of the teams ahead of us. I don't believe you have to have a superstar PG. The Heat won with Jason Williams, the Lakers won and are much improved this year with Derek Fisher, Houston with Kenny/Sam, San Antonio with Avery....BUT, you have to have one that isn't at as much of a disadvantage night in and night out as Rafer is as compared to those teams in front of us. And the PG isn't just one of the 5 players on the court. He is the one player that literally can control the tempo/pace and success of your offense, even if you have other great players at the other position. Jason Kidd doesn't have Nash's talent right now, or Parker's youth, or Baron's scoring ability, but damn if he doesn't now how to run offenses.
Just wanted to throw this out there with all of the Kidd Trade talk....but it sounds like the Nets are looking at a number of deals. If they move Kidd it might be a 3 team trade and they might even make more moves after that. They might even blow it up. Kidd trades aside here.....but would be the Rockets have interest in Richard Jefferson? Maybe a Mike James+Battier package (and something else)? Jefferson's contract is rather big (12M right now and ends at the same time as Yao's) but he has improved every year he has been in the league and is a tough player that can really attack the basket. He would be an upgrade to Battier and would clearly be that 3rd scorer we are looking for. From NJ's side, they get a guy in Battier who is a smaller contract and brings some toughness the team is lacking. Just a thought.
from all I've read, Jefferson would be kept as a foundation for what they are building there. Now, mayber if they trade Carter and Kidd, he might develop an attitude that requires trading him, but I think he's young enough for them to hang onto.
tmac/alston/m.james/snyder/head for carter/kidd/second round pick tmac may even past the first round in the weak east.
Someone can remind me if I'm wrong, but trading for Kidd might also allow the Rockets to REALLY have available cap space two years from now. And in that summer, don't you have a great free agent class?
Good point (I'm trying to remember his contract as well), but isn't not getting an extension from the Nets one of the reasons Kidd wants to be moved?
I'm just as much a Mcgrady fan as anyone here, but to repeat what has been said before, the T-Mac/Yao experiment has failed. Yao is the star of the team, and we need to win with him now, while he is still heatly and in his prime. Big guys with Yao's size dont last many years in the NBA due to the toll on their legs, feet, and knees. We need to swoop in and try a different combination. I think if you trade for a package of Kidd and Carter, you have a strong supporting cast for Yao to get it done. As long as the Rockets keep their rookies, then its not really trading the future away. Mcgrady and Kidd have similar contracts, so really thats a even swap. Getting Carter may cost you a Battier, James, and Head, but i think it would be well worth it. Yes, Carter and Kidd are not what they used to be, but lets face it, neither is Mcgrady. I think Bonzi has played well enough to move into the strating line-up if we did indeed move Battier. His defense is by far the most under-rated on the team. Its Championship or bust right now, and we dont have the pieces to be a contender, like we thought before the season. Make the deals and get yao his ring before his window runs out.
Kidd is a free agent in the summer of 2009. Mcgrady is under conract until 2010. Carter has 4 years on his deal which expires in 2012. But if the Nets are desperate enough, they might eat some of that contract for Vince in a deal.
i wonder if there is anyway to trade Tmac and MAYBE battier plus any other fillers for kidd , jefferson and filler..i think a core of kidd jefferson and yao is better than what we have now.
Funny, was thinking that also -- mainly because Jefferson's annual salary is closer to doable in a trade given what the Rockets could offer. However his trade value has to be pretty high, given the season he's having. I would think it would take a rookie/draft picks also, but I don't know. A Rafer-T-Mac-Jefferson 1-2-3 would be an ugly three-point shooting lineup, that is for sure -- but you'd have your third scorer.
Thats a interesting idea Clutch. Jefferson was passed on here in Houston many drafts ago. A trade of Shane Battier, Mike James, and Carl Landry gets it done. Hell throw them a draft pick, at this point who really cares, as long as they get a legit 3rd scorer.
I do not want to give up battier. kidd/carter/battier/scolar/yao should be the starting 5 (might be the oldest? but the smartest).
I mean, if they're down for a Jefferson for MJ+Battier based package, it wouldn't matter if we were 44-0 at this point you have to do it. Logic would tell you to keep dreaming though. He's in the prime of his career and statistically he's having a monster year. Not to mention, from NJ's end that's a horrible deal. I will say that I like the idea of exploring other options though. I find the idea of trading for Kidd to be maybe a half step above appalling. Pairing Yao with an uptempo PG couldn't possibly be a good idea especially if said PG is turning 35, can't shoot and makes $20 million a year.
I doubt they will settle for anything less. We could try our luck at send out James instead of Battier, but I doubt they will bait with James' value right now.
