I don't know, he may be a great open court passer but his skills in my opinion wouldn't mesh with a half court offense. He's never been a great shooter and certainly not a three point threat. With Yao in the post we must have a consistent shooter(This is why Rafer gets so much heat)And of course at 35 how much does he really have left.
I don't really think Morey's going to go after Kidd at all. But I was just messing around with the trade machine, few problems.. Not too sure about the value going to Chicago but.. Houston trades: Luis Scola, Shane Battier, Rafer Alston, Mike James, future 1st rounder Houston recieves: Thabo Sefolosha, Jason Kidd Lineup would be something like: PG: Kidd/Brooks/Francis SG: Head/Sefolosha SF: McGrady/Wells PF: Hayes/Landry C: Yao/Deke/Landry Chicago trades: Thabo Sefolosha, Ben Wallace, Andres Nocioni Chicago recieves: Jason Collins, Shane Battier, Bostjan Nachbar, Mike James, 1st rounder from Hou PG: Mike James/Chris Duhon SG: Bostjan Nachbar/Ben Gordon SF: Luol Deng/Shane Battier PF: Joe Smith/Tyrus Thomas C: Joakim Noah/Jason Collins New Jersey trades: Jason Collins, Bostjan Nachbar, Jason Kidd New Jersey recieves: Luis Scola, Rafer Alston, Ben Wallace, Andres Nocioni PG: Rafer Alston/Marcus Williams SG: Vince Carter/Antoine Wright SF: Richard Jefferson/Andres Nocioni PF: Sean Williams/Luis Scola C: Ben Wallace/Josh Boone
Jason Kidd isn't just a mediocre 3 point shooter, he's also a bad shooter overall. BUT, even with that, he's still shooting better than Rafer from 3 this year, and not much worse overall. And what he brings, as a point guard, both in the half court sets and in the fast break, are so light years ahead of Rafer, despite his age, that it is a move I'd pursue. Granted, I don't see us playing like the Warriors anytime soon (and we shouldn't), but I watched the Nets/Warriors game on TNT last week, and Jason still proved that he is an awesome, amazing passer. The types of passes that put your team in position to score or get fouled before the shot clock has hit 20. And it's a mindset as much as anything else. Again, we don't want to be the Suns. But that doesn't mean that we don't want to take advantage of fast break opportunities. JVG pushed for it. Adelman has always used it. It's not the coaches, it's the players. Rafer is pretty good at protecting the ball up the court, but he doesn't take advantage of split second passing situations. Tracy is a great player, but everything he does, despite his athleticism, is about 20% slower than it should be. And Battier, obviously is not a fast break player. Case in point. Houston vs. Utah, 1/27/08. First half. Rockets get a steal, quickly pass ahead to Rafer who is coming down one side of the court, Tracy is filling the other wing, there is only one defender. Rafer takes it in a bit, then passes to Tracy for the monster finish. Well, no, Tracy passes back to Rafer for the wide open layup. Well, no....Rafer can't get a shot off and we pull back to run the half court offense, crowd excitement turns to anger (literally, I was there...it's so frustrating). And those are the 2 guys we rely on for fast break opportunities. So, that said, here's my trade proposal (it works per Real GM): Houston Trades: T-Mac, Alston, Chuck Hayes, Mike James, Kirk Snyder New Jersey Trades: Jason Kidd, Richard Jefferson Throw in a second rounder if New Jersey wants. I know they haven't mentioned trading Jefferson, but their options for Kidd seem to have diminished considerably. Nets Listening To Offers For Kidd "....One source claimed that, "now there is no 'good' deal to be made for him, the best to hope for is an average deal," likely expiring contracts and picks. " Again, they probably don't want to give up Jefferson, but they get a bunch of players in return. They get Tracy, who despite the faults listed above, is an excellent player, and whom, combined with Rafer, again despite the faults listed above, they do know how to minimize mistakes and run that type of game plan where you at least have a chance to win most games, and with Tracy's talent, come through half the time...i.e., in the East, playoff caliber. Chuck Hayes is a good, cheap, PF option. Kirk Snyder comes off the books over the summer and Mike James (or Rafer) are both 1 year closer to their contract expiring and potentially re-tradeable in the offseason. Richard Jefferson is no Tracy McGrady. But he doesn't try to be. You won't see him come in and try to be a facilitator or anything close. He's a scorer. Granted it helps when you're playing alongside Jason Kidd, and you don't have to facilitate, and Kidd takes away some of your rebounding, too. But still, on a typical night, RJ will give you 1-3 assists as opposed to Tracy's 5-7, and slightly fewer boards. But I think he would mesh real well with Yao, and coming over with Jason, would still have that familiar PG getting him into scoring positions. Rockets Line-Up: PG: Kidd, Brooks SG: Jefferson, Head SF: Battier, Bonzi, Novak PF: Scola, Landry C: Yao, Deke
So, no way the Nets even consider it? I thought about throwing in our first rounder...which I personally would do, but I think many on this board would start saying Jason Kidd is old and can't shoot, so we're trading a bunch of stuff for basically RJ. I'd throw in this year's first round pick...would the Nets do that deal, then?
I just read on NBA.com that J kidd didnt say anything about being trade. Rumors are fake. END of thread.
true, but read this: http://www.nypost.com/seven/01282008/sports/nets/trade_talks_not_just_kidd_s_play_967964.htm Clearly, Thorn is discussing trade options, whether Kidd is asking for them or not.
The only way the Rockets could get involved would be if Jersey traded RJ or Vince for a big. Then they might take a look at T-Mac. Otherwise, it would never happen.
That's the beauty of developing young talent... they can be overvalued come trading time. I'm not saying I want to trade them or that the Rockets are considering it, but when you can dangle rookies like Scola, Brooks and Landry, you can suddenly sit at tables you couldn't before. Rebuilding teams will absorb salary or take on contracts at times if it means getting young pieces or first round draft picks. I don't think the Rockets will be players for Kidd... but for others, they could be. The Bergen Record story this morning is fairly detailed... lots of unnamed sources and officials. But says they're also gauging interest in Richard Jefferson and Vince Carter. http://www.northjersey.com/sports/Kidd_on_the_block.html
http://www.northjersey.com/sports/14477137.html?c=y&page=1 based on this article Nets aren't looking for equal value trade. Diop, deavan gorge, stackhouse for kidd? equal? If Morey wants kidd. we can offer the followings. Kidd - 19.7 mil this yr Sydner - 2.5 alston - 4.5 MJ - 5.8 SF - 2.5 that's 15.3 here. we can get kidd if we wanted to, the problem is with his age and contract size. is he worth it?
If Kidd really wants out don't think he will come to a team like the Rockets. If he does, i say let's go get him and get rid of MJ & Bonzi + maybe Rafer.
Snyder is an expiring contract -- that will work. Francis has a player option for next season, which he will take because it's free money. Rafer and MJames both have 2 years left after this one (Rafer's is a lock while James' is a player option) -- you may be able to trade one in the deal but I doubt both. Bonzi Wells, Steve Novak and Carl Landry are expirings I believe -- Landry's value would be in his upside, not his contract. I can't see the Rockets getting Kidd.
I do not think NJ will give up kidd+RJ for tmac and fillers, instead, they may do kidd+carter for tmac and fillers, the question is do we want to do it?
I like Kidd a bunch, in that what he brings in terms of leadership is PRECISELY what is missing in this McGrady-"led" bunch. He can't shoot, has bum knees, but he would make the team play far better and is a player/coach on the floor. We couldn't do the deal directly, even with McGrady, since NJ doesn't need a third high-priced swingman - that would make a completely unbalanced roster. They're wanting a decent starting PG in return since Williams isn't ready, and are insistent on a big with size (like they have been forever). A 3-way with Indiana sending Jermaine O'Neal to the Nets is probably the best scenario. Indiana would want young building blocks, so we'd have to send a bunch of players their way. Because of that, it'd probably only happen in the summer, as you can't do a 5-for-1 in the middle of the year and leave the Pacers with a 19 man roster. Evan
no, we need everything but a PG who can not shoot. He did not do well in the EAST, he wont do well in the west either.
??? The Nets have not had a losing record his entire time there, and have made every postseason with him leading a trio + scrubs unit. They idea that you need to just add on a big-numbers talent to do better only works in baseball. Our team this year should be a strong reminder of that. Give Kidd a strong, balanced to work with, and he'll be the engine that makes them run. Right now he's chained to a deadbeat phony star, a decent athletic swingman, Boone, a Eurocenter and euroforward, and a bunch of no-talent. Aside from Kidd, Carter, and Jefferson, no one on that team should be a starter in the NBA. Evan
