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Kick BU out of the Big 12

Discussion in 'Other Sports' started by Smokey, Aug 13, 2003.

  1. mrpaige

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    1994 and 1995, Baylor had a winning record.
     
  2. RIET

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    Im talking about UH and Roberson or is it Robertson sh*thole stadium.

    Calling it a stadium is akin to calling the Tidy Bowl Man, Captain Ahab.
     
  3. mrpaige

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    I was in the Master of Tax program. I actually lived in Fort Worth and commuted. Yet another reason I wasn't too keen on finishing the program.

    I was Texas Tech undergrad (the first time).
     
  4. MadMax

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    sorry, then! carry on. :)
     
  5. Tenchi

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    How'd this thread degenerate from athletics to academics? All I know is that Burritos give me the runs.
     
  6. mrpaige

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    And let us also not forget that Baylor has led the Big XII alphabetically since its inception.
     
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    A small price to pay for what may be mankind's greatest culinary invention.
     
  8. Smokey

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    Interesting read- thx Smokey.

    Not surprised about the athletic budget though - goes alone w/ that USA Today/NCAA report.

    This is more enightening though in terms of the direction Pres. Sloan is taking Baylor.

    Unsettling...
     
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    I only brought up LSU and Arkansas because something else mentioned them, however I was almost positive they didn't qualify. As far as Colorado State goes, I didn't know enough about the school to be definitive one way or another. But I believe the one private school per conference rule does exist.
     
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    Rice is a good fit. Great football stadium, good baseball program, good academics, private.

    btw - why doesn't Rice have a new basketball court? They're swimming in money, right? No alumni to pony up for that?
     
  12. mrpaige

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    By the way, the SunBelt Conference has the University of Denver.

    And, I can't believe I forgot that Conference USA now has TCU (not to mention Tulane).

    The Southland Conference doesn't have a private school member.

    And, as was mentioned before, the Big 8 didn't have a private school member.
     
  13. Lil Pun

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    Thanks for dispelling that myth.
     
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    Someone just paid to install a new floor at Autry. That's probably all we can get basketball wise for awhile. Unfortunately, the typical Rice donor won't donate to athletics.
     
  15. Kam

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    Okay, a few questions.

    But first a comment.


    UH has a shiiiiiiiiieeety football stadium. Robertson Stadium is crap. Cy-Fair's Pridgeon Stadium blows it away.

    I remember this one night, it was Katy vs my school in week one high school football. I think the stadium had like almost 10,000 people there. Katy Travels pretty damn well.


    What is the story behind Ann Richards and the SWC/Big XII thing?

    Did she prevent U of H from being a member of the Big XII?
     
  16. mrpaige

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    Ann Richards is a Baylor graduate, and she was governor at the time of the Big XII formation. The rumor is that the only way she'd go along without state lawsuits and whatnot would be to include Baylor in the new conference.
     
  17. Smokey

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    No high school stadium in the Houston area meets the minimum requirements for NCAA Division I-A college football.
     
  18. Kam

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    Hyperbole.
     
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    A related article from the AP (no mention of NCAA rules requiring a private school member of the conference):

    Big 12 schools unlikely to ask Baylor to leave

    By Jim Vertuno
    AP Sports Writer

    A murdered player, NCAA violations and an attempted coverup of misdeeds by the head coach have raised questions about the future of Baylor men's basketball and whether the school needs to stay in the Big 12.

    But even after a summer of scandal, it appears unlikely the Big 12's smallest and only private school will leave the conference, either on its own or by being forced out by the league.

    "Our commitment certainly is to remain in the Big 12," Baylor President Robert Sloan Jr., said this week. "The answer is not to run away from problems but to face them. Very clearly, we face some problems."

    Baylor's football and men's basketball teams - typically the money makers of any athletic program - routinely finish at or near the bottom of the league. The football team has won four Big 12 games in seven seasons. The Waco Tribune-Herald has reported the athletic program ran a deficit of $9.1 million last year.

    While Baylor's troubles have become a hot topic of Texas editorial pages, Internet message boards and radio talk shows, Big 12 Commissioner Kevin Weiberg said he's heard no rumblings of discontent from the league's other members.

    "We've received no calls from (members) suggesting Baylor should go," Weiberg said. The only comments he has heard have been "appropriately supportive" in hopes that Baylor can sort out its basketball problems.

    Big 12 bylaws require nine members to vote to expel a school, something several school presidents have said is unlikely.

    "I don't think that would be a good idea," Kansas President Robert Hemenway said. "My personal feeling is they have a very tragic situation. I have great respect for President Sloan and his moral judgment and I'm sure that he will right the ship."

    The bylaws don't list criteria for adding or subtracting members, Weiberg said. They were designed more to protect the league from schools who might want to leave for another conference.

    Even if the league wanted to dismiss Baylor, that would mean finding a replacement school, which comes with its own complications because of scheduling and contractual obligations. And if Baylor wanted to leave on its own, where would it go?

    Under even normal circumstances, leaving the Big 12 would be a difficult decision. For Baylor, this summer has been nothing but bizarre.

    Former player Patrick Dennehy was found shot to death July 25, allegedly by former teammate Carlton Dotson, who sits in a Maryland jail awaiting extradition to Texas to face charges.

    The investigation into Dennehy's disappearance and death uncovered that Dave Bliss, who resigned as coach Aug. 8, had paid the tuition for Dennehy and another player. It also found that failed drug tests by players weren't properly reported.

    Then Bliss was caught last week trying to cover up the tuition payments with a plot to portray Dennehy as a drug dealer.

    The university is investigating and has self-imposed two years probation, including a ban on next season's Big 12 tournament.

    During an online chat with fans Monday, Sloan dismissed the idea of imposing a one-year death penalty on the program to give Baylor time to hire a new coach and rebuild its team. At least three players, including leading scorer and rebounder Lawrence Roberts, have decided to transfer.

    Sloan insists Baylor can be competitive in the Big 12, noting the school's massive upgrade of facilities. Leaving the league would cost the school $5 million to $6 million in revenue sharing.

    Randall Fields was a member of the Baylor board of regents for nine years and was chairman when the Big 12 started play. He said Baylor officials thought long and hard about whether the school belonged in the league.

    Fields said it's time for a re-evaluation, even if it means getting out of the league. The world's largest Baptist university must decide if the pressure of competing at such a high level contributed to the problems, he said.

    "You have to wonder about when the tail starts to wag the dog," Fields said.
     

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