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Khizr Khan speech at DNC

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Carl Herrera, Jul 28, 2016.

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  1. shastarocket

    shastarocket Contributing Member

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    parody account
     
  2. Carl Herrera

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    But what kind of parody?

    It is pretty clearly a right winger's parody of what Team Clinton thinks like. What they (and their ilk) are arguing are that these Republicans shouldn't be siding with "the enemy" and attacking Trump. So, yes, whoever made the account is very much a "party over country" person, or a full-on xenophobic conspiracist.

    In any case, here's Trump's latest on Mr. Khan early this morning:

    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Mr. Khan, who does not know me, viciously attacked me from the stage of the DNC and is now all over T.V. doing the same - Nice!</p>&mdash; Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) <a href="https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/760070280932982784">August 1, 2016</a></blockquote>
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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This story is not about Mr. Khan, who is all over the place doing interviews, but rather RADICAL ISLAMIC TERRORISM and the U.S. Get smart!</p>&mdash; Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) <a href="https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/760074526059270144">August 1, 2016</a></blockquote>
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    So his approach is keep on whining about being "attacked" by Mr. Khan-- the same old "he started it!" while that toddler do. Seems that it would only serve to keep the story in the news for longer as the media go to Mr. Khan and others (Clinton camp, GOP officials, Pence) for further comments.

    I am also wondering if Trump is going to respond to the GOP officials' condemnation of him. Will a reporter ask him about what he thought of McCain, Ryan, etc.? Will be blurt something about about them at a rally or on twitter?

    Edit: Now POTUS jumps in, at an event hosted by a disabled veterans group:

    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">.<a href="https://twitter.com/POTUS">@POTUS</a>: &quot;No one has given more for our freedom and security than our Gold Star families.&quot; <br><br>Says he asked for one to introduce him at DNC</p>&mdash; Mike Memoli (@mikememoli) <a href="https://twitter.com/mikememoli/status/760171319208112128">August 1, 2016</a></blockquote>
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    Fingers crossed...
     
  4. shastarocket

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    He's incapable of ignoring McCain and Ryan's comments.

    There's a town hall (Columbus, OH) and rally (Harrisburg, PA) later today, I'm sure we'll get a sound bite
     
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    The parody did not get past me. My critique addressed the use of the parody to make a certain argument. Carl Herrera hit the nail on the head.
     
  6. JeffB

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    Trump is too egomaniacal to just make an empathy laced statement acknowledging the family's grief and leave it at that. Dude just has to get a punch in or push back. Has just has to assert his dominance on the topic. Just take the "L" and move on Trump and the story will die. This media is fickle and easy to distract. (But we know he won't which is another reason why he isn't fit to lead this nation.)
     
  7. REEKO_HTOWN

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    Elizabeth Warren knows exactly what gets to Trump and I'm sure told Hillary exactly what to do.

    Attack him, or better yet let others attack him because the guy can't take it. He has to respond, he has to get a punch in. This old distracts him from attacking Hillary and exposes him to uncomfortable areas.

    This is all on Trump and he could rise above it but he won't.
     
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    You bet they will. Even if not, Trump can't help it but monitor those twitter feeds and have an itch to scratch.

    So many itches. I wonder how long he will hold up.
     
  9. Carl Herrera

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    Some polling data confirming pretty much what we all suspect to be the case:

    This fight isn't good for Trump's PR.

    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Khan 51% V Trump 33% in <a href="https://twitter.com/YouGov">@YouGov</a> poll of the now 72hrs-long dispute (2,481 voters weighted by gender, age, party ID) <a href="https://t.co/vR4a9Ok8lR">pic.twitter.com/vR4a9Ok8lR</a></p>&mdash; Tim Montgomerie (@MontieUSA) <a href="https://twitter.com/MontieUSA/status/760183476628881408">August 1, 2016</a></blockquote>
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  10. JeffB

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    I don't doubt this for a moment. Warren has owned Trump at every turn and knows just what buttons to push. She has been near clinical in the way she get s him to lash out.
     
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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Mr. Khan more than an aggrieved father of a Muslim son- he's Muslim Brotherhood agent helping Hillary <a href="https://t.co/mJuUYw60nK">https://t.co/mJuUYw60nK</a></p>&mdash; Roger Stone (@RogerJStoneJr) <a href="https://twitter.com/RogerJStoneJr/status/759941783098761216">August 1, 2016</a></blockquote>
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    Wow, so now a person close to both Trump for over 30 years and Manafort is accusing Khan of being in cahoots with the Muslim Brotherhood to take over America. Also suggests his son was a terrorist, not a hero.

    Do these people have no shame?


    http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slat...zr_khan_is_a_muslim_brotherhood_saboteur.html
     
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    No, they have no shame.

    They aren't much different from ISIL's goal in that they seek to rob large swathes of humanity, and the United States of America, of its dignity.
     
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    That 33% is pretty much the plurality of Republican voters that chose Drumpf. They're his floor and his ceiling.
     
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    This would not suprise me one bit. Hillary is the devil after all.
     
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    Sure, Khan attacked Trump. Or rather he attacked back at Trump after Trump's blanket endorsement of preventing Muslim immigration to the U.S.

    So Khan and all Muslim immigrants to the United States were attacked first. If Trump can't handle it when people fight back, then he shouldn't pick on folks.

    Now, Trump is attacking the family of the hero. This family who's made such a horrible sacrifice for this nation is being attacked by the guy who's sacrificed nothing.
     
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    You sound like one of those people who think 9/11 was done by the Jews
     
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    Trump's biggest problem is he doesn't know when to STFU, that is exactly why he cannot be trusted to be the president, he has no self control.
     
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    That is a fair argument and unfortunately the pain of families are frequently used a political props. "Won't anybody think of the children!!
    The problem though with this situation is more than just that the DNC had the Khans there but that Trump has so publicly attacked them. A mother of one of the people who died at Benghazi personally blamed Hillary Clinton for her son's death from the stage of the RNC yet Clinton hasn't gone after her.
    I suggest you listen to Khan's speech again. He mentioned going to Arlington cemetery to see the war dead of all faiths there. His argument wasn't that Trump is specifically attacking Muslims but that Trump is attacking the idea of a diverse and pluralistic country. You, and others defending Trump's comments are trying to reduce this as an argument against Islam by saying that Cpt. Khan died fighting Muslims. Yes he did. He died though in service to a country that he loved enough because it was welcoming and treated him and his family like everyone else even though they were Muslims.

    YOu're right he died an American first but that didn't mean that he or his family set aside their Islamic faith. Instead they saw no conflict with being both American and Muslim as anyone else could be both American and Christian, Jewish and Christian, Hindu or Christian or any other faith.
     
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    That attitude isn't limited to people from Muslim families. There are many who have come from very conservative religious families who have turned against those religions.
     
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    I've never understood how he can be so proficient at twitter yet hold the belief that the military should be using couriers
     

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