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Kevin Porter Jr: What is his ideal role?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Stat Nerd Perspective, Oct 22, 2022.

  1. Stat Nerd Perspective

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    The average TS% has gone up since Kobe played. It hovered around 53.5% for most of Kobe’s career, meaning he was usually a little above average.
     
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    Is it though? Seems more like that's the narrative you're trying to create. And the crazy thing is, KPJ isn't even projecting to be the star, he's like 3-4th best option on the team, so it's even less important for him than it is for the people who will actually dominate the ball once the roster matures. This is why you can't just throw out random stats and create a narrative, it doesn't match up with reality. Efficiency is ONE way to measure effectiveness, just because you declare it the be all and end all of evaluating a specific player archetype (which let's be honest, he doesn't even fit into, he's hardly a "volume shooter" at all, go see how many shots he takes compared to ACTUAL guys with that archetype) doesn't make it so.

    tl;dr - you're full of it.
     
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    Is a little above average supposed to be some amazing feat or something? Harden's way above average right? Who won more? Who's a legend? Who's even now called a bum who only got anywhere by drawing fouls and travelling by the majority of the fans in the league? Sorry to break your heat so badly, but TS% means next to **** all compared to being a player with heart. Look at the Heartless Beard for a prime example.
     
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  4. fchowd0311

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    Lol dude.

    I'm sorry but scoring efficiency is an integral part of the game.


    Here are the type of superstars who are low efficiency scorers: Westbrook, AI.

    Teams aren't going to win rings with those guys being your best scorers in the modern NBA.
     
  5. fchowd0311

    fchowd0311 Contributing Member

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    Ts% is a metric. Heart and will are traits that will help you score efficiently and achieve a high ts%.

    All the elite players in the modern NBA who win rings and make deep runs are high efficiency scorers( Curry, Giannis, Jokic etc.) Luka is a slight exception but he still hovers close to 60% ts which is still above average and good. He's also one of the best playmakers in the league. So that helps.

    Higher ts% has a strong correlation with more winning. Don't be stupid.
     
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    So none then? Are we going to sit here and pretend the Warriors are the only team that had Harden's number? Nope.
     
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    Yeah you're right, look at all Harden's rings....Oh wait.
     
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    Oh wait look at the teams that beat him in the playoffs...


    Hint: their best players scored even more efficiently then him
     
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    Yeah you're right, look at all the teams James Harden's wining ring...wait. Oh ****, guess efficiency really doesn't make you a god. Who knew? (you know, besides every fan on this forum who lived through the "efficient" way our star brought home NOTHING for the franchise - good times.)
     
  10. DaDakota

    DaDakota If you want to know, just ask!

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    None of them are playing winning basketball right now.....not a single player on the Rockets.

    Nothing you say matters....your bias has spoken.

    DD
     
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    Who's more efficient, Harden or Lebron? Crazy how the less efficient guy is INFINITELY the better player right? Just insane, I just can't believe it. Here I was thinking TS% and efficiency was king. Guess not.
     
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    efficiency doesn't matter is probably my favorite take currently going
     
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    So has your on your attitude for KPJ vs everybody else. Im not the one that got exposed for being a hypocrite and admitted to being one.

    Oh guys we need patience for KPJ, green? nah he was a wasted pick, we should have drafted mobley.

    My stance is consistent. KPJ upped his ppg, and free throw percentage, I can live with him being the point guard.

    I have also been a fan of Harden-offense bc he was good at it while you weren't a fan of it.
    But now all of a sudden you are a fan of harden like offense ran by KPJ which is just a shttier imitation of it?

    And im considered the bias one pffffft.

    You flip flop all over the place
     
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    I see this happening a lot, people will make excuses for poor performances when they are looking to push a narrative while looking to nitpick players they are looking to tear down.

    So Green and Sengun's struggles when it comes to ball handling and passing is everyone else's fault and KPJ doing considerably better somehow doesn't count.

    When you have that kind of ridiculous double standard, you can come to all kinds of backwards conclusions.

    Now I'm not saying KPJ is a finished product, basically no one besides Gordon on the roster is, but there's no question that right now he's by far the best player on the team with the ball in his hands running the offense. We can acknowledge this while still being excited about who Jalen Green and Sengun could turn into one of these days. It's not a knock on them to acknowledge the strides KPJ has made as a player.
     
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    What is even your claim? Like are you making a claim that scoring efficiency isn't important or are you beating a strawman swinging at air where the air is saying "scoring efficiency is the only thing that matters".


    Scoring efficiency is important. Lebron and Harden are close enough. Both hover around 60% for their careers with Harden with like 1.5% lead but Lebron was in the league a long time before Harden where the average scoring efficiency in the league was less.

    So if they are close enough in scoring efficiency the other aspects come into play. So yes, Lebron is a better floor general, better defender etc that make up for that ever so slight scoring efficiency advantage.
     
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    You want KPJ to have his cake and eat it too. You want him to be near the top of the league in time of possession ahead of guys like Jokic and Steph ****ing Curry but don't want to account for the bad offensive sets and high turnovers this team generates?

    KPJ dribbling the ball for 10+ seconds in a possession often leads to turnovers even though the play didn't end up with a turnover directly from KPJ precisely because the play was broken down by KPJ trying to go Luka and passing off to a poor soul in a broken play.

    It's this simple. If you want KPJ to dominate possessions more than MVP level players, then brace for fans blaming him for everything. That's the nature of being the center of a heliocentric offense which we currently have.
     
  17. DaDakota

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    Allen Iverson had a true shooting percentage of 51.8% for his entire career.

    Michael Jordan had a true shooting percentage of 56.9 for his career.

    Larry Bird 56.4% for his career

    Bob Cousy had a 44.6 True Shooting perecentage for his career

    Kobe Bryant had a True shooting percentage of 55% for his career.

    KPJ at the age of 22, and in only his 2nd season starting has it at 52% right now for the year, it will go up.

    You guys are overreacting to a young 22 year old player who is playing with babies on the team - these guys barely need to shave, and you are comparing people who have been in the league for 10+ years......

    KPJ is fine, and is developing fine.....


    DD
     
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  18. daywalker02

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    Dude everyone knows what Curry lacks.

    KD made up for Iso scoring that is not his forte.

    Draymond covered for him on D and is the enforcing leader that soft spoken Steph was not.

    And now Drew Wiggins is doing part of that D.

    That tale is as old as time.

    Cover the Worriers a ton.
     
  19. fchowd0311

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    For every player you mentioned, type the league average ts% for their respective eras.
     
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    Curry...

    One of the best ball handlers in the NBA?

    The Warriors don't need KD lol. Curry has led teams to 70+ wins and two titles. Dude wtf are you talking about?
     

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