there lays the answer. kpj might be done with the rockets but unless kpj is handed a jail sentence i don't think the nba will void his contract.
"If the Rockets try to waive Porter now, there is a strong possibility the NBA would not even accept the waiver. This is because it could be argued the move is in violation of the collective bargaining agreement, which prohibits a team from disciplining a player solely because of an arrest. If they waive him a month from now, it can be considered a basketball move, especially because he had already been replaced at point guard and they will need to make cuts to get to the roster limit of 15 standard contracts. His contract extension was written to give the Rockets that option. If they trade him to a team that waives him, that team’s move to waive Porter would be for basketball and roster construction reasons since players are often released after trades." Jokic wasn't arrested. The league would see waiving Porter right now as punishment.
Feigen is mistaken. The "Arrest" Clause in the CBA does not apply to waiving. And fwiw: Feigen is contradicting Woj ... they can't be both right, but they can be both wrong. Let me put it this way: If KPj was arrested during the season, are you saying they could waive him immediately, because then it would be for basketball reasons cause they're down a man and could use that roster spot. Or do they have to wait a couple games? A week? Or would the Rockets be penalized by the league rules, and have to just play-on without KPj and without an open roster spot? You see, having to make that type of nuanced interpretation doesn't makes sense, because it's rooted in poor interpretation of the CBA, to begin with. We don't have to worry about those complex situations, because the Arrest Clause is about team suspensions and fines, not waiving.
You don't need "cause" to waive a player. Players get waved all the time just because their team wants the roster spot. An NBA contract doesn't guarantee you a roster spot. All you have to do is to look at the Josh Primo case. Primo was accused of exposing himself and was waived by the Spurs last October. The league investigated and today ( Sept. 29th), they've suspended Primo for 4 games. So, the Spurs didn't have to wait for the league investigation to finish before waiving him. That didn't happen till 11 month later. There's nothing in the NBA CBA that requires a team to keep a player on their roster. You have to honor the guaranteed money in the contract but you can waive them at any time, for any reason. What the CBA says is that a player can't be punished by both his team and the league for the same offense. Also, league discipline takes precedence over team discipline. In Primo's case, the Spurs didn't punish him, they just waived him - that's not a punishment ( a punishment is a fine or suspension that costs him money). If the Spurs had instead disciplined Primo by suspending him, then the league would likely have been much quicker about applying their own penalty and it would have overridden the Spurs suspension. The Rockets have always had the ability to waive KPJ, there's nothing stopping them. The fact that they haven't waived him is their choice. They could be trying to trade him and minimize the damage or they could even want to keep him. Who knows? We have no way of knowing their reasoning but they aren't keeping him because they have to.
Waiving a player is not discipline. Discipline is a fine or suspension - something that costs him money. The NBA CBA allows teams to waive players without a reason. It happens all time. KPJ's contract guarantees him $16.8M. The CBA doesn't dictate that any player must be on a team's roster - that's the discretion of the teams managment.
All you ****ing newbs, do not argue with @aelliott. I have been here for 25 years, and have yet to see @aelliott being wrong on any CBA thing once.
Waiving a player is not a punishment because they still get paid. He would not be punished in any way from being waived
I would say the case is more high profile than Primo's .....somewhere between the Ja Morant and the Miles Bridges case ..... and Silver has to make a statement of some sorts.
It doesn't matter if you need cause or not, you want to work with the union and work it out together - and the org is doing whatever is in it's own best interest, they are trying to use the money from the contract - and let the league give the punishment. At this point, this is all they can or should do - they are running the business the best way for the Rox. DD
Not good enough, should have fired Stone, or at least made an attempt at finding a GM. Finding solutions on the fly.
I'm simply commenting on what the team is allowed to do. How "high profile" the case is has no bearing on the rules. The Rockets have always been able to waive KPJ. The Primo case demonstrates that. Remember, the Rockets waiving him or not waiving him has no bearing on any NBA discipline.
I was replying to your statement that it would generate a lawsuit...it wouldn't. The NBA contract gives the team the right to waive you at any time. Here's the verbiage from the NBA's Uniform Player Contract. "Protect, in whole or in part" is "guaranteed money". This is saying that despite having guaranteed money, the player has no guarantee to remain employed by the team. No agreement by a Team to protect, in whole or in part, the Base Compensation provided for by a Uniform Player Contract shall require (or be construed as requiring) such Team to continue to employ the player (whether on the Active List, Inactive List, Two-Way List, or otherwise); nor shall any such agreement afford the player any right to be employed, or to be deemed as having been employed, by such Team for any purpose. How do you think the union felt about the Rockets refusing to play a healthy John Wall for an entire season? Now they're going to worry about what the union thinks?
I'm pretty sure DD is that guy that you tell him the sky is blue because it is blue and he tries to argue that it is magenta. Seems like several explanations have been provided to him and he is not budging. He is stubborn.
