Shooting fouls would be unfair. You shouldn't be penalized if you get fouled and miss the shot. (It does count if you make it, however)
How are the other shots in the run not necessary? You don't get to the game winner otherwise. I can somewhat agree with this. It may be oversimplifying to say Every basket is equal. For instance, the 2 points you score when the team is up 30 with a minute to go certainly doesn't contribute much to winning. There is such thing as garbage points. The qualifier for my point would be "before the game is decided", each basket is equally important.
Some baskets stop runs, some start them. Not the same effect, even if it's before the game has been decided. You're both right, just in a different way that depends on the game situation.
A point is a point no matter when its . Eleven points in any quarter is always better than ten in the fourth.
Eleven points when there is a 40 point margin is not better than ten in the fourth when your opponent also scores ten in the fourth and you had a one point lead going into the fourth.
i dont think that's the same thing they're arguing... 11 is more than 10, they're comparing equal amounts. Would you take 10 points in the first of a tied game, if the other team is shooting poorly, or 10 points in a tied game in the 4th, when theyre shooting poorly then as well? both scenarios could give you equal 10 point leads, but do you want it in the first or in the closing quarter? It's also not just about comparing the points within the same game, but in completely different games.
Why not? As long a there is time on the clock and the deficit is not insurmountable, there's always a chance you can win. A shot to potentially win the game should not be considered equally as important as the first shot taken in the first quarter, for obvious reasons which really don't need explanation. You see it simply as "is decided" versus "not decided". But the extent to which a game is "decided" should be viewed as the probability one team will beat the other given (1) who has possession of the ball, (2) have much clock is remaining, (3) what the current point differential is. It is a continually fluctuating probability that starts at some percentage (depending on the strengths of the two teams) and finally settles at 100% at the game buzzer. The value of a shot or a possession, in terms of winning the game, depends on how the results can swing that probability.
What about the 25 quiet points that kept us close enough for that 15 points to be win-worthy? If we were down by 17, that last 15 points is useless.
by coming up with different scenarios to counter Durvasa's latest example y'all are just proving his point, that it all depends when/how its scored. Durvasa gives an example where he is correct, then y'all counter with an example where you're correct, so now he'll counter with one that makes him right and so on. All examples of how different situations within the game will dictate how important certain points are. It's not fixed.
Not really- any situation he brings up that tries to establish that 4th quarter scoring is more important, I can bring this same one counter example.
That's the thing...he's not trying to prove that 4th qrtr points are always more important...he's just saying they could be in certain situations. The mistake here was assuming the "25 pts" had to happen within the same game at two different times, and they dont, probably shouldnt really.....the whole argument was over whether Kmarts points would be any better if he got them through highlight plays, not whether his 25 at one point in the game were better than 25 brooks would get the same game through highlights at another point in the game. The comparison is really, would Kmart's 25 have affected winning more had they been highlight plays? Or even, would kmart's 25 affect whether his team wins more than derrick rose's 25 in another game? Yes, it's possible and no it's not. He just decided to go with yes, its possible, and everyone ran with that side of the coin, but he could have also gone the other way. He's just trying to show there's various possibilities on either side and y'all are just listing them, to prove just that.
