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Kevin Martin's incredible efficiency in preseason

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by desi tmac91, Oct 21, 2010.

  1. durvasa

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    It depends on the nature of the highlight, and when it occurred.

    A highlight reel 25 pts might include scoring the last 15 points of the 4th quarter to pull of an amazing come from behind victory. It would be hard to beat that "quietly".
     
  2. albuster

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    This, this and this. Incredible but it's true.
     
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    Yet a quiet 25 points keeps you solidly ahead throughout the game only to see the other team's comeback bid come up short. Or something.
     
  4. TimBly15

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    definitely targeting him early on fantasy draft night
     
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by durvasa
    It depends on the nature of the highlight, and when it occurred.

    A highlight reel 25 pts might include scoring the last 15 points of the 4th quarter to pull of an amazing come from behind victory. It would be hard to beat that "quietly".



    Definitely exciting to watch (man I really miss The Dream) but 25pts is still 25pts on the scoreboard.
     
  6. TheFreak

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    Can you imagine what that would do for his trade value?

    -Joe Clutchfan
     
  7. rox81

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    Things K-Mart is: an extraordinarily efficient scorer, a humble team player.

    One thing he is not: Carmelo or Kobe or LBJ in terms of creating his own shot at the end of the game when you desperately need a basket.

    So what? We didn't bring him here to be the next incarnation of MJ. If K-Mart's quietly put in 31 points, it may mean he's given the Rox a big lead heading into those crucial final two minutes of the game. As someone brilliantly pointed out in this space earlier: points are points; they're worth the same regardless of when they're scored (kinda like regular season wins).

    Would you rather he score 7 points on 2-10 shooting and then be able to face up his man for a crucial late basket in a close game, or that he score 22 points on 6-9 shooting, helping the Rox to a comfortable 13-point lead late in the game?

    Again, no argument that he's not 'Melo or Kobe. But he's great at certain things, and vastly underrated for his worth. Count me among his fans.
     
  8. durvasa

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    You said in terms of winning the game. Not all points have the same worth in terms of winning the game.
     
  9. Mr. Clutch

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    He's playing too well.

    Goodbye Kevin Martin :(
     
  10. Carl Herrera

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    Why Rockets no play Kevin Martin 4 quarter? Ruining his trade value!

    Adelman no managing asset correctly!
     
  11. CXbby

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    Like a few have mentioned before, they do have the same worth. The "efficiency" type of points are the ones that keep you ahead the whole time, so that you won't need the "buzzer-beating" type of points to bail you out. This is not to say one type is better than the other. Their worth is the same, 1 point = 1 point.
     
  12. Mr. Clutch

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    There must be a trade on the way. :(
     
  13. durvasa

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    Again, you can't say their worth in terms of winning the game is the same. Not all point are equal (e.g. a buzzer beater determines who wins and who loses, while the first basket in the game does not). Anyway, I probably shouldn't dredge up this old debate again.
     
  14. CXbby

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    Making more baskets during the game means you may not even need the buzzer beater. If you won the game 102-100, the first basket of the game contributed just as much as the final. Without either, you don't win.

    Ok. Disagree, but I'll drop it.


    EDIT:

    I'll just say that getting a buzzer beater and being efficient the entire game are two different skill sets, both needed for an elite team. They are not mutually exclusive, in fact the real superstars do both. I do not view one as more important than the other, but conventional wisdom would tell you the buzzer beater is the more sexy(important). Which I disagree.

    The guys with buzzer beating skill sets are certain paid a premium in the league. And the efficiency guys sometimes overlooked. Which would explain Morey's interest in Martin. This is not to say we don't need the former. We do. And the closest thing we got is Brooks, which does not offer too much confidence as far as contending.
     
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    While Kmart is Definitely efficient..

    Walmart is cheaper.

    (derailing from the thread) I love kmart, no homo.
     
  16. durvasa

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    Can't ... help ... myself ( :) ). I completely, totally disagree with that statement. You can not say that if the first basket was missed than the score would have been 100-100 heading into overtime. There's no reason to assume that subsequent events play out the same way.
     
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    you can't compare points alone in one game to another, whether they were quiet or not....you have to look at the game as a whole and compare what effect those points had through the game. Sometimes the quiet/efficient/early points have more of an effect and sometimes they have less of an effect, compared to the other type.
     
  18. CXbby

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    Ok, let's say you are down 10 with a minute to go, you somehow rally back, and make the game winner. In this scenario it is easier to relate that every basket in the whole run was equally important. Not just the game winning shot. We wouldn't be in a position to take that shot without the incredible run to begin with.

    Using the same logic we can expand on it to the whole game. Every basket is building towards the inevitable finale. So while the game winner is the 2 points that actually won the game for you, you don't get there without the rest. In that case which is more important? Same! :)
     
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    that's why we got him. keep it up kmart. love what he's doing right now
     
  20. durvasa

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    Your last sentence is correct. Yes, an incredible run leading up to the game winner was necessary, but it doesn't follow that each and every made shot within that run was essential. The final game winner, on the other hand, absolutely was.

    While you say each scored basketball is equally important, I think the importance of basket depends (mostly) on the current margin and time remaining. Its an over simplification to argue that just because they count the same in the final point tally that they are equally valuable in terms of who wins the game.
     

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