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Kevin Martin on what changed in the 4th quarter lately...

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Carl Herrera, Apr 4, 2011.

  1. mylilpony

    mylilpony Member

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    here's vids of aaron not passing....even though others in the vid dont pass and its trevor ariza asking for the ball.

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  2. OremLK

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    Ariza would've just thrown up a brick anyway, of course it's a lot different when you're talking about Martin
     
  3. napalm06

    napalm06 Huge Flopping Fan

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    Maybe he's not "calling out Brooks", he is simply explaining that without Brooks the offense is more fluid. It can be a fact without being a personal vendetta.

    But I know how Clutchfans thrives on drama.
     
  4. durvasa

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    When I read that, I thought he was referring to games in the past where he (Martin) didn't finish games in the 4th.
     
  5. Liberon

    Liberon Rookie

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    As much has I hate Brooks if you go back and look at the video, it was also Shane holding this team back. Shane missed how many corner 3s? And you talk about intangibles, how about when Shane can't do much of anything else in the 4th? I think the fact that the ball also had to go through Shane and not still be Lowry or Martin's hands to take a more probable 3 hurt this team just as much or more than the fallacies Brooks brought. Hell Lee and Bud hit those crucial jumpers Adelman would have Battier take, thus why we couldn't win close games.
     
  6. BrownBeast99

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    I think he was talking about both Aaron and Shane. He probably didn't mean it as a knock on them because I know he liked Shane as a teammate and sated he didn't want him traded. Aaron slows down the tempo and looks for his shot first while Lowry just takes whatever is available without wasting time and being stagnant. Also, Lee finishing games instead of Battier gives the offense more unpredictability and fluidity at the end of games while not losing so much on defense.
     
  7. Liberon

    Liberon Rookie

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    Adelman would have put Shane in those crucial moments that Lee got steals and scored. What do you think about that? Shane is great and all but Lee can cover up for what Shane brought while still being active and scoring. And Hayes cleans up whatever else Shane left behind. Let's just say we are better off without Brooks are Battier.. We traded for a project to experiment and develop while taking 2 cancers off the team. Not a knock on Shane but I'm sure when he watches our game he knows that he was a cancer at the end of games...
     
  8. PeppermintCandy

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    Last season this video was evidence of Ariza's extremely selfish play. Now it's supposed to show how Brooks doesn't pass?

    LOL talk about seeing what you want to see.
     
  9. Carl Herrera

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    During "crunch time" (5 minutes or less left in the 4th or overtime, neither team ahead by more than 5 points), Shane Battier attempted 16 3-pointers as a Rocket in 119 such minutes. He hit 6 of those, for a 3pt FG% of 37.5%, about the same as his normal 3pt FG%.

    I don't know how many of them come from the corner, but by this calculation, it couldn't have been more than 10.

    Battier also averaged 5 rebounds, 2.4 assists, 1.2 blks and 0.6 steals per 36 minutes during "crunch time."

    Brooks, actually, did not play that many "crunch time minutes" (due in part to his long injury). He played less than 40 minutes of "crunch time." During thie time, he launched about 24 FG attempts and less than 4 FT attempts per 36 minutes, scoring 24.6 points. In other words, he was launching shots like Kobe and scoring with the efficiency of Rafer Alston.
     
  10. oneleftalive

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    i think its a combination of calling out AB, and not knowing who coach ademan will put in the end of games. i mean, im not saying i know rick adelman, but he tends to go with the veteran man (i.e.) Brooks, battier, miller mainly during the beginning of the season. but since the trade you see coach adelman putting in chase and courtney, but mostly courtney to close games now. along with lowry, martin, hayes, scola im still suspect about but he did hit the winning jumpers vs. the hawks.
     
  11. Dreamin

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    Best post ever.
     
  12. J.R.

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    Rockets guard Martin embraces his role as scorer

     
  13. vlaurelio

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    he's was really calling out Adelman coaching principle.. Adelman by principle was putting his vet\loyal players.. AB, Shane, and Miller.. in the fourth quarter, those three were not producing much worse hurting the team.. so after trading AB & Shane, RA sat Brad (Brad was only needed when Brook was on the floor for passing) that gave chances to cbud, clee, and ppat more minutes to play during the 4th..
     
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    Yep. Without Shane chucking up ill advised threes because he cant make a shot. Then without Brooks who has made no shots this year? They are a better fourth quarter team with better shooters across the board in the game. If any of them are open? They are gonna make the shot unlike Shane and Brooks.
     
  15. rocketsjudoka

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    The best part of that video is when they finally give it to Ariza he shows why they weren't passing to him in the first place.
     
  16. johnstarks

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    Hold up, time out, no fair. These numbers are hurting my head. I'd rather read unsubstantiated claims based on my gut. My gut always trumps evidence and stuff.

    I do wish we had gotten a bit more for Battier than Thabeet, especially since we were trading with the Griz who we compete with. Morey probably didn't expect to see us go on the tear we're on though. It's a counterfactual, but I'd bet that we'd be a bit closer to the Griz if we had traded Battier to someone other than the Griz.
     
  17. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    per 36 minutes during crunch time is about as made up a stat as i've ever seen. it only proves one thing if you look at battier stats, that he's the same player he is during crunch time as he is the rest of the game.
     
  18. ashishduh

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    Which is to say that he was a good defender and very good set shooter from 3. I agree.
     
  19. blackistan

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    damn the fall of ab continues
     
  20. PeppermintCandy

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    In a recent interview, Adelman said how the management's decisions are not always conducive to winning games in the short run.

    His words and Martin's quotes make me think that playing Brooks before the trade deadline had to do with showcasing him for potential trade partners.
     

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