Kevin Martin 14th scoring in clutch(less than 5 min left in 4th and score +/-5pts)

Yep, all about me, nothing again about the topic, or basketball, just about your obsession......me....

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Scola got a lot of 4th quarter too. Actually, those say that Scola had 125 crunch time minutes and Landry had 109 (Landry missed a number of games).

Landry scored 35.7 points per 48 minutes on 69.4 FG% in those minutes.
Scola scored 17.7 points per 48 minutes on 51.5 FG% in his minutes.

Landry also got to the free throw line more than twice as frequently.

 

This seems to be intuitive. When it counts(clutch time), Scola/Martin are best to serve as 2nd/3rd option, while Landry/AB have the ability to score under a lot of pressure/contact due to their speed/strength.

Another factor is the way referees call the game at clutch time. Lots of contact are allowed and it's basically a different game.

 

This is a really awesome post. It sure corrected my perception of him not being good in 4th quarters. With that said, I still don't think he's clutch enough for him to be a first option closer on a legitimate contending team. He will be an amazing 2nd option. If we can keep Martin, Brooks, and Lowry and make a move for an all-star, we would be a sick team.

1st option = ???
2nd = Martin
3rd = Brooks.

Money

 

Matin's FTA is not true indication of how he gets to the line. When opponents have to make intentional fouls, Martin usually gets the ball and sent to FT line.

Landry's FTs were different story. He got to the line by playing aggressive at the end. That might have something to do with his minutes though. He was usually fresh in 4th quarter because Scola handled more minutes early on.

 

Goes to show you...

There are lies, damn lies, then there are statistics

Anybody who watches the Rockets regurlarly knows Martin isn't any damn "clutch" in any sense of the word.

He's effecient but not clutch.

 

Oh, I wasn't talking just about crunch time points. I was talking about scoring efficiently. There was an adjusted points per shot stat I was calculating last year using BasketballGeek.com's data where I believe the numbers showed that in terms of scoring per shot attempted by quarter, Scola was just about as good Landry in the time they were in. I think Landry did excel beyond Scola's numbers in the 4th, though, but overall, I was shocked Scola was as close as he was.

When the poster said Landry/AB carried us, I thought he wasn't giving credit to Scola as well. I tried finding the posts, but I'm getting errors when searching, and now that it seems Ryan's no longer keeping the data on BasketballGeek, I can't do something similar this season.

 

Kobe Bryant shoots 1-13 in the first three quarters, then shoots 4-6 in the fourth quarter. The whole world praises Kobe Bryant for the amazing performance and demonstration of clutchness.

Kevin Martin goes 10-13 in the first three quarter, 1-5 in the fourth quarter. Kevin Martin is fool's gold.

 

thank you. i swear reading this board sometimes makes you wonder if people have any sense.

Martin wasn't brought here to be our best player. highest scorer, not best all around player. He isn't a max contract, he's an elite scoring role player whose price tag is pretty favorable(not someone you build around ).

and the way people continue to talk about his defense. seriously.... adelman was his coach before, morey has proven to be a pretty good talent evaluator. they freakin knew the guy couldn't play defense when they traded for him. they didnt bring him here to play defense.

i know it sucks that we continue to have to try to salvage seasons with all these injuries, but look at the big picture. this isn't what adelman, morey and the organization had planned for this season. blaming people for failing to do things we didn't necessarily bring them here to do is just stupid.

 

Stats are for suckas. I saw a stat that told me the texans were an elite offense,yet they were one of the league leaders in 3 and outs to start a game. The next time martin starts a run or breaks a run late in the game will be his 1st.

 

Having rude fans like you, Rockets will never get a superstar.

 

LOL, $11 million per year for a player you can't build around. Again, LOL.

 

Gotta love Martin's ball dodging skill.
He could not even get 1 rebound per 48 minutes in clutch time.

Like todays' game, he is the only one having no rebound at the half in such a brick fest.

 

What good team has an 11 million dollar player they build around?

 

It's not the stats. It's the lack of context in evaluating the stats. Any stat defines a criteria and you can typically rank players based on that criteria. The smarter basketball people won't jump to saying someone like Martin is very clutch because of this evidence without realizing the context.

Probably the most important thing to consider is that while scoring is the ultimate goal, creating the shot is a much more difficult task and probably much more worthy of the "clutch" title.

 

Second Rockets on the list Luis Scola.

And people call him un-clutch because of one game

 

The assisted-by number really tells the tale here.

 

LOL says McGrady's little b****.

Why you trade Tracy?
You suck Morey.
KBrick no can shoot. Tracy shoot superstar. I bet KBrick shoot less than 40%.
McGrady come back destroy Rocket. Watch


Honor your bet and GTFO.


You build around max players, he's not one.
You cant build around Luol Deng, Nene, Tayshaun Prince, Ben Gordon, Josh Smith, Boozer, Kirelinko, Gasol, Rashard Lewis, Rip Hamilton, David Lee, Granger, Monta Ellis, Jamison, Jefferson.

They all get paid more than Martin. You don't build around them but they are pieces to a championship.

 

Read what I wrote. I do realize that it is within 5 points, but you do realize a game can be over and still be a 5 point game, right?

It's always hilarious when someone calls you out for a mistake they themselves are making.

 

Again I explicitly give an example of us being down by FIVE and I also state in the last line of my post that this is by a certain point AMOUNT. I did read the OP's post but neither you nor Aleron cared to read mine carefully.