Kevin Martin 14th scoring in clutch(less than 5 min left in 4th and score +/-5pts)

They are healthy looking stats indeed. Now how to encorporate that into wins?

The most obvious things which stand out from the games we watch are supported in these stats as well.

1) Guys like Kobe, Durant, LeBron, Anthony, Westbrook, Rose and Amare take up to 5-10 FGA moer than him. He simply needs more FGA, around 5-10 more.

2) Guards like Kobe, Westbrook, James and Rose have 20% or less of thier points in clutch assisted by others. Where as Martin has 66% of his points in clutch assisted by others. Meaning Kobe and co make/create there own shots more often rather then just catching and shooting, Where as Martin is more of a catch and shoot type of guy. He simpy needs to be more aggressive and look to create/make shots himself more as well.

I would like to see him step out of his comfort zone and take on some added responsibilties during clutch.

 

Sorry I forgot to add, maybe thats why his FT% is healtheir than other as well. Because catching and shooting is easier then trying to take on the defence yourslef like Kobe, James, Rose and co. For the the same reason his turn overs are lower than their as well.

 

I think it's a decent criteria for at least measuring shooting percentages in prime time. I posted this in one of the Scola knee-jerked threads, he is second from our team in this list.

 

This.

He is also second in the league in first quarter scoring I believe. So does that really make him the anti-clutch?

 

ignore these jaded "fans" mister OP. 5 star thread.

 

Go look at the % assisted for Garnett, Pierce, Allen and get back to me.

 

reading issues? it's written in the very top line of the page....

For these stats "Clutch" is defined as:
4th quarter or overtime, less than 5 minutes left, neither team ahead by more than 5 points

 

People on this board want to hate Martin because they are bitter old women... He could be the best scorer in the 4th and they would still say he disappears

 

those 4 guys are completely ineffective without the ball in their hands and are their teams playmaker, heck players that can switch between the two are rare, durant is the first player i've seen since jordan that can effortlessly switch between roles and not lose effectiveness either way.

 

How are you supposed to judge it?

By watching it, by seeing how the pieces fit, and whether the people do their jobs on the floor.

You know, paying attention to basketball and how it works. The numbers are ancillary to what happens on the floor...they are a product of the symphony that is directed by the coach.

And you can look BACK at numbers and they will confirm what you can see with your own eyes....but they can never be used to guage success going forward, people are not robots, and putting two of them together makes a different chemstry, as their skillsets collide and mix and mash...

That is how you watch a game, if you understand the game, you can get way more out of watching the players, than looking at the numbers post facto.

Yes, I missed the thread title entirely, my bad.

DD

 

Yes, I do.

And I am not totally dismissive of stats, they are of value, but they seem to be worshiped these days because DM is the GM.....to each his own, I guess.

DD

 

He saw something positive about Martin and went so bat**** that he didn't actually read the full post.

Of course, we all know that using stats to judge a player is worthless. The only real way is to watch them for a few minutes and then make a decision on how good a player they are and will be and argue with people about it until you're proven to be a fool. Then, pretend you never said it despite the fact that your quotes proving you said it are all over the BBS.

That's how you do the internetz.

 

There is a HUGE caveat to all of this for anyone who has actually watched all of the Rockets games. Much of Kevin's scoring in the "clutch" technically does come within the last minute, but these baskets are often layups GIVEN to him by the other team when the game is decided. The exact same thing can be said for free throws.

For example, we will be down by five with a couple of ticks left and kevin will hit a wide open three or will be given a free lane to drive to the basket. I have specifically noticed him doing this and honestly felt that he was obviously trying to do right by the team but also somewhat inflating his stats for the game. He scores like a menace in the last minute of a game when it is already decided. I hope someone else has noticed this.

That being said, I don't think he is any more or less clutch than the next guy, however his stats here are indeed inflated by his actions late in games when they are already over. I like Kevin and I think he is a fine player, but his handles and shot CREATION skills are not good enough for him to be a consistently good "go to" player down the stretch.

Do NOT be misled by these stats, they neither tell us definitively that he is or is not clutch, just a measure of scoring output whether we are ahead, tied, or losing by a certain point amount.

 

And my DDingleberry is back...yippeee !!!!!

Nothing about the topic, nothing about anything else other than me......I can feel the obsession.

Nobody gives two ****s whether you like me or not, so stop cluttering up the GARM with talk about me and contribute to the board by discussing the topic.

Mmmmkkkkaaaayyy?

DD

 

Read the damn thread title, layups in junk time aren't +/-5 points

 

Stats aren't supposed to give an exact picture but a very accurate one. Thus, stats are never wrong. Its all about how you look at stats and interpret them, and judging from your blanket anti-stat rhetoric I doubt you even consider this. The team with the best ORTG - DRTG isn't necessarily the best team in the league but they are definitely a championship contender. In the same way, Martin may not be a top 15 clutch player but he's up there.

 

Martin also gets 0.9 rebounds and 0.0 assists per 48min in clutch time. Throw that in with 0.0 steals and a +/- of -22 and you have a super clutch player right there.