[Kevin Drum] If you hate the culture wars, blame liberals

Interesting article. I'll say this - I took a music history class in high school - a great class - it covered music history from medieval to renaissance to baroque to classical to the beatles. Never touched upon Asian, African, or South American music. Skipped the blues. In fact, outside of Jazz, didn't touch on any African American music.

I think that is what people are referring to.

In terms of cancel culture in general - i don't think there is a general case. I think both the left and the right try to cancel people and concepts they disagree with. Trying to remove confederate statues is very different than trying to remove Thomas Jefferson which is very different from trying to get a professor fired from their job due to insensitive comments. Let's not forget that Bill Maher was canceled by the right for saying something politically incorrect on a show called Politically Incorrect.

I think it's a mistake to lump everything into "cancel culture" because sometimes it's about people being oversensitive, and sometimes it's about a business making a business decision, and other times, it's a legitimate grievance.

Bottom line is that people in the age of social media are going to get pissed if you offend them. You can argue the reaction to the Vox article by people screaming "cancel culture" is in fact an act of cancel culture against Vox and the authors of the article.

 

They sure did love their lives as free men and women...

Who got promised land after being freed, then had it stolen while being raped, lynched and abused by police while being forced with limited economic opportunities and homeownership opportunities.

Sure seems like "freedom".

 

(SIGH)

January 6th 2021 was exacerbated by the presence of Antifa, and it isn't important anyway, because DR. SEUSS IS UNDER ATTACK!

The only leg the Republicans can stand on belongs to a straw man.

 

The criticisms about people criticizing Beethoven made me think of this particular video. None of the politically active citizens I know discuss the issues you guys cherry pick out of blog posts and find outrage from. Like I agree that canceling Beethoven is dumb. You got me there. To think it's a mainstream opinion though among liberal circles when liberals themselves are not even unified on even just a single topic and to then assume it's going to become the mainstream popular opinion of the masses is where I think you're reaching.

 

I think the amount of time you dedicate to the narrative is enough evidence to suggest that either


A. You bring attention to it from a position of bad faith.

B. You genuinely believe it's mainstream.

 

Also I notice this amongst right wing circles.

A mere singular article that attempts a critical take on a historical figure just out of a desire for intellectual curiosity is meet with claims of "canceling".

Do you think this is the case @Os Trigonum ?

The right ironically has created a culture of supressing speech because now people are fearful of just merely expressing their negative opinion on a popular historical figure because then they will immediately be accused of succumbing to cancel culture.

So now if there is some legitimate criticism someone wants to express towards someone like Washington or Jefferson, they now have to pause and think if it is worth it knowing the accusations of "cancelling" that are going to spam their social media feeds.

 

Then what is the purpose of posting a very small circle of opinion that even most liberal circles would find criticism with? You're pointing out something you take issue with. The issue isn't mainstream and would likely die out on it's own accord with or without it being pointed out. So if it's an idea that would likely die out on it's own, then I'm left to assume the people that post such content have a fear of it becoming mainstream and wish to point it out before it does. Otherwise it's just a post along the lines of, "See these dumbasses and what they're doing over here? LOLOLOLOLOLOL."

What is the purpose of posting fringe opinions that are easy to mock online if not to make a greater point about something you take issue with?

 

I definitely can understand the natural desire to cancel people who make you introspective of your flaws. It can be rough. My sympathies.

 

Maybe it's a good time for some introspection to see why.

 

You are very important. What can I say?

You do post the most often on this subforum so your fame and notoriety precedes you.

 

I actually like both of you posters even though ya'll don't get along. This message board isn't to be taken that seriously ya'll.

 

I agree I enjoy both @Os Trigonum & @fchowd0311

I think @Os Trigonum stirs the pot a bit but on the flip side, there aren't many articulate conservative voices on here to debate with so it would get a bit boring without his postings.

 

So the fact that slaves would have been slaves even longer means nothing to you I guess.

And going by this logic you think all of the slaves would have just been freed one day in mass?

 

Not gonna lie, I am not that versed but I read in the article that they called him racist but that might be overblown.

The guy he was talking about definitely is calling classical music racist.

https://slippedisc.com/2020/07/beet...-composer-promoted-by-whiteness-and-maleness/

It seems both of these guys are bomb throwers so I probably should do some more research.