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Kerry in the WSJ: My economic plan

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by basso, Sep 15, 2004.

  1. No Worries

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    "seeing through it" no longer appears to be a capability for most of the electorate.
     
  2. GladiatoRowdy

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    Actually, if we repeal the massive tax cuts given to the top 2%, those initiatives will be paid for. That is what Kerry is saying and the numbers add up to me.

    BTW, he is not talking about BIGGER tax cuts for the other 98%, he is talking about keeping the Bush tax cuts that affect that 98%, but repealing the cuts that only benefit the top 2%.
     
  3. No Worries

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    Why does Kerry hate himself?
     
  4. GladiatoRowdy

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    No, he is repealing the tax cuts that SHOULD be repealed, namely the ones that only benefit the super rich like the capital gains tax, estate tax, and dividend tax.

    That will be enough to halve the deficit in four years according to the GAO even with the expanded tax credits for college, child care, and health care.
     
  5. GladiatoRowdy

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    Actually, I liked Warren Buffet's call to tax him MORE. He wrote a great editorial a while back that basically said that even though he is saving MILLIONS on the Bush giveaway, he would prefer that he pay more because it is only fair for those that can afford the burden to shoulder it.

    He went on to say that if you are that rich and don't want to pick up your fair share, that you can afford to move anywhere in the world.
     
  6. bnb

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    ...and introducing credits for college, health and childcare.

    I thought the first bit...right up to his point by point plan, was brilliant. And not just from a political speech point of view. How Bush escapes culpability for just about everything, escapes me. This isn't the first time in history America's gone through crisis. Yet mention the war, and all is forgiven.

    So he sets us up by saying madman bush has us in the pisser. He spends, he reduces tax, he's got deficts...man's out of control. And then offers goodies like tax deductions, better benefits, etc. Some little quips about how he'll just shuffle one shell or the other and it'll all work out. Somehow 98% of personal tax payers and 99% of corporate tax payers will be better off under his plan.

    Math doesn't make sense to me. It's frustrating to me because i care. If you were a bushie, i expect you'd just dismiss it as waffling. And if you are already onside, i'd guess the buzz words would give it credibility.

    But shirley....these tax cuts were so detrimental, yet by a quick shuffle he'll give a bigger break to 98% of personal taxpayers and 99% of corporate taxpayers...only this time it's different???
     
  7. halfbreed

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    If you do real research, you'll find out that unemployment numbers in the Bush years aren't that different from unemployment numbers in the Clinton years
     
  8. GladiatoRowdy

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    There is only one of us dismissing Kerry's plan. Kerry's looks FAR better than Bush's and that is really all I care about.

    Could it be better? Of course.

    Could it be worse that Bush's? No freaking way.
     
  9. GladiatoRowdy

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    Clinton didn't LOSE over a million jobs in either of his terms. The only reason the unemployment RATE is so low is that so many people have flat given up on even getting a job. Those people are not counted in the unemployment figures, only those actively looking for work.

    Bush will be the first president since Hoover to lose jobs during their presidency. Execrable.
     
  10. bnb

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    On that, we agree!

    ;)
     
  11. Faos

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    9/11
     
  12. whag00

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    Didn't he promise 6 million new jobs AFTER 9/11 (due to his tax cuts)?
     
  13. 4chuckie

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    Isn't Kerry now saying he'll keep the tax cuts for 98% of the population. Do you think he's doing that because tax cuts costs jobs?
     
  14. GladiatoRowdy

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    Sorry, dude. Jobs were being lost in 2000 and 2001 before 9/11 even happened. Bush cannot use 9/11 to excuse every one of his horrible performance markers, yet he and his sheep continue to try.
     
  15. GladiatoRowdy

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    They certainly haven't CREATED jobs like he claimed they would.
     
  16. GladiatoRowdy

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    Yep. And, as seems to be the case with most of his claims, he fell short.
     
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    So if these tax cuts don't creat jobs and kerry says he'll create jobs and reduce the deficit why keep the tax cuts?
     
  18. GladiatoRowdy

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    Kerry will take back the lion's share of the tax cut, namely the massive giveaways to the rich, so that he can fund efforts that WILL increase employment.
     
  19. Faos

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    Obviously fallout from the Clinton years.
     
  20. FranchiseBlade

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    I love Kerry's response to this.

    Everything from not getting Osama, or the lack of WMD in Iraq, or the failed leadership in Iraq after major combat operations supposedly ended, to the economy was all the fault Clinton or 9/11 or the CIA.

    Bush hasn't stepped up to take the blame for anything.
     

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