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Kerry fights off media probe of recent alleged infidelity, rivals predict ruin

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by rvolkin, Feb 12, 2004.

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  1. RocketMan Tex

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    Sounds like the network in your office has a little blockage problem.

    Perhaps a network enema would do the trick.

    I see the pics fine...in my office and at home.
     
  2. FranchiseBlade

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    Exactly. Haven't people learned about jumping to conclusions without proof?

    There is zero proof Kerry has unfaithful in his marriage.
     
  3. MadMax

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    man, i really hope this dude didn't cheat on his wife...

    but i really wish you freaks would nominate edwards.
     
  4. Major

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    man, i really hope this dude didn't cheat on his wife...

    but i really wish you freaks would nominate edwards.


    If he did cheat on his wife, I hope it comes out soon enough to make this possible...
     
  5. B-Bob

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    Amen to that. I hope he didn't cheat (at least not in a major-- ah, I mean significant way) on his wife, but either way, I'm voting Edwards in the primary here.
     
  6. FranchiseBlade

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    If he did cheat on his wife I would hope it comes out and is a non-factor, with Kerry winning the nomination and election so people will stop digging into candidates personal lives. Maybe if it came out and nobody paid attention it be start in ending the personal type of issues coming up.
     
  7. Troy McClure

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    "In an off-the-record conversation with a dozen reporters earlier this week, General Wesley Clark plainly stated: "Kerry will implode over an intern issue." [Three reporters in attendance confirm Clark made the startling comments.]"

    If that were true why is General Clark backing him now ? Why woud he risk that? Matt Drudge is ****ing scum.

    http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/02/12/elec04.prez.main/index.html

    CNN) -- Sen. John Kerry will pick up the endorsement of former Democratic rival Wesley Clark, a Democratic source told CNN, as Sen. John Edwards and former Vermont Gov. Howard Dean tried to convince Wisconsin voters the Democratic presidential race isn't over.

    Clark was scheduled to appear with Kerry on Friday in Wisconsin, the scene of the next major Democratic contest. In a CNN interview Thursday, Clark would not confirm that he would endorse Kerry, but said, " I'm looking forward to seeing John tomorrow."

    A Democratic source called Clark's expected endorsement a "significant step forward" for the Kerry campaign, predicting it would draw Southern and military votes to Kerry, who has won 12 of the first 14 Democratic contests.

    For a second day, Kerry took a break from the campaign trail, staying home in Washington. His campaign dismissed questions about a photograph that surfaced on the Internet and TV and in newspapers showing him at a 1970 protest against the Vietnam War with Jane Fonda. (Full story)

    Clark, who dropped out of the race Wednesday, won only one primary, in Oklahoma, during a campaign of just five months. Four other Democrats remain in the race: Dean, Edwards, Rep Dennis Kucinich of Ohio and the Rev. Al Sharpton, a civil rights activist.

    Dean again tried to appeal to the independence of Badger State voters, urging supporters in Madison to ignore commentators who have said the race is effectively over.

    "They expect you to rubber-stamp the choice of others," he said. "You don't have to listen to them."

    Dean campaigned in Wisconsin Thursday with his wife, Judy, who generally avoids the campaign trail. "This is my new best spokesman," he told reporters.

    Judy Dean is a physician, like her husband was before becoming Vermont's governor in 1991. She said she "would have liked to be out here more" but was excited to return to the campaign trail.

    Edwards, meanwhile, continued to tout his prospects in the South, despite losing Tuesday's Tennessee and Virginia primaries to Kerry.

    He told NBC that "a lot" of Clark's supporters could rally around his campaign, "because they know I'm the one person left in this race who has won a really tough race in the South."

    Edwards, a first-term senator from North Carolina, won the South Carolina primary February 3.

    Before Wisconsin votes, Democratic contests will be held this weekend in the District of Columbia and Nevada, where Republican National Committee Chairman Ed Gillespie was scheduled to deliver a sharp broadside against Kerry in a Thursday night speech in Reno.

    In prepared remarks, Gillespie attacks Kerry and other Democrats, saying they are readying "the dirtiest campaign in modern presidential politics."

    He denounced questions about whether President Bush fulfilled his service obligations in the Air National Guard during the Vietnam War, saying, "Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but they are not entitled to their own facts."

    The White House has said documents they released this week prove Bush reported for duty as required, while Democrats say the pay records and a summary of credits for service raise more questions than they answer.(Full story)

    While Gillespie was careful to note Kerry's "honorable" military service -- Kerry was a decorated Navy officer in Vietnam who became a prominent antiwar activist after returning home -- he said Kerry's Senate voting record "is one of advocating policies that would weaken our national security."

    Torricelli role
    On Wednesday, Dean blasted Kerry over a Washington Post article that former U.S. Sen. Robert Torricelli, a Kerry supporter, helped bankroll a group that ran attack ads against the former governor in Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina. The ad questioned Dean's experience in foreign affairs and featured an image of Osama bin Laden.

    Torricelli was forced to drop his 2002 re-election bid in New Jersey after the Senate Ethics Committee admonished him for receiving items from an ally convicted of violating federal campaign laws. A former Kerry spokesman, Robert Gibbs, was listed as one of the leaders of the group, called Americans for Jobs, Healthcare and Progressive Values.

    Referring to a possible matchup of Kerry vs. Bush, Dean also said, "I'm just deeply disappointed that once again we may have to settle for the lesser of two evils."

    But Kerry spokesman David Wade dismissed the allegation as "another Dean act of divisive desperation," insisting that Kerry's campaign was not behind the ads, didn't know about Torricelli's contributions to the group and has had no association with Gibbs since he left.

    Kerry attracts Clark backers
    After his victories Tuesday in Tennessee and Virginia, Kerry continued to pick up new support. He was endorsed by Sen. Jeff Bingaman, D-New Mexico, and Rep. Tom Allen, D-Maine, along with the presidents of 18 unions that, as a group, had previously endorsed Rep. Dick Gephardt of Missouri. Gephardt dropped out of the race after his disappointing finish in the Iowa caucuses in January.

    Also, a movement was under way among the 20 Democratic members of Congress who had endorsed Clark to switch their allegiance to Kerry.

    Reps. Charles Rangel of New York and Marion Berry of Arkansas said they were getting behind Kerry and urging other Clark supporters to follow their lead.

    "A majority of members who had endorsed Clark will at some point in the near future endorse Kerry," said Berry, one of Clark's earliest and staunchest supporters.

    Up for grabs in Wisconsin are 72 delegates. To win the nomination, a candidate needs 2,161 delegates. (Delegate scorecard)

    After Wisconsin, comes "Super Tuesday," when 11 states hold contests March 2. (Interactive election calendar)

    CNN's Ted Barrett, Laura Bernardini, Justin Dial, Sasha Johnson, Dan Lothian, John Mercurio, Kyra Phillips, Brian Todd and Kelly Wallace contributed to this report.
     
  8. El_Conquistador

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    First the housekeeping:

    HamsterFisher:

    1) You idolize me. This is readily apparent with your obsession with mimicking my posting style and techniques. Since you lacked the creativity to develop your own style, you adopted that of your idol -- Trader_Jorge. Your average delay in responding to any of my posts -- in any forum -- is approximately 2 minutes.

    2) You have yet to best me in any argument. Your proclamations of victory and your incessant need to point them out to others in different threads is proof that you feel inadequate. This is understandable, given my *sobresaliente* achievements and pedigree. Despite the time and effort your pour into this mission, you have yet to succeed. This chaps your hide.

    3) You have yet to answer the questions regarding your sub-par law school candidacy and why it didn't land you in a top 5 program. You have also neglected to answer why you could not make the cut at Cravath or S&C. You have now resigned yourself to at least 7 years of the rat race at a mediocre firm (long enough to see if you make partner, which at this point is far from certain) and now you regret this decision. Your job bores you, as evidenced by your 13.21 posts per day tally. Burdened by your law school debt, you feel as though you can not escape from this mindless and shallow career path.

    4) Judging by your demeanor, post frequency and 'small' personality, I can sense that you have not been laid in quite some time.

    GOOD DAY

    Now the substance:

    Regardless of John Forbes Kerry's guilt or innocence, perception is reality when dealing with marital infidelity. When this story hits the major newswires, it will be GSMTFPR for Hanoi Kerry. The only question remains whether this will hit before or after Big Tuesday.
     
  9. FranchiseBlade

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    Yes it could be that Drudge's story is already falling apart.
     
  10. Troy McClure

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    You're a miserable human being. I feel sorry for you, and people who have to associate with you.
     
  11. basso

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    not sure about the asses part, did i say something about him being an ass? i don't recall, or did you just infer that from something else? i don't really want to derail this thread by talking about something substantive, but i don't think he's the best guy by any means. not that i think bush is necessarily either, but...

    oh, what the hell, i think kerry's economic plan will stop the economy in it's tracks. he's a classic tax and spend liberal. i find his class-warfare rhetoric offensive, and i think he has no clear idea of how to relate to the world given certain realities post 9/11. i also think he might feel a bit differently about his own service in vietnam if he'd served under a commander and chief with the intestinal fortitude and political courage of our current president.
     
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    Wow. After that post I still have no idea what you look like, but your posts will for ever more be read in this voice.

    [​IMG]

    Then again that's just in my head.

    he he good day sir.

    by the way, don't bother insulting me. I'd have to give a sh*t what you think for it to matter.
     
  14. Troy McClure

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    There's no intestinal fortitude in sending people to die in war, when you've never fought in one yourself.

    There's no intestinal fortitude in holding up a megephone and putting your arm around a firefighter during the worst moment in history for a photo op. Not to mention contracting out of Federal fire fighters.

    There's no intestinal fortitude in selling pictures of yourself from Sept. 11 at fundraisers.

    There's no intestinal fortitude in being the first president to cut taxes during war, because you dont want to upset the base.

    There's no intestinal fortitude in going into the National Guard in the 60's because you know you wont go to war that way, and then have Reservists in 2004 die in Iraq, keeping them there past due.

    There's no intestinal fortitude in not taking a clear stand on aobrtion, because you dont want to lose moderates, and you dont want to upset the Christian Right.

    There's no intestinal fortitude in letting the Bin Ladens leave the country after the attacks without questioning them.

    There's no intestinal fortitude in this WHITE HOUSE.
     
  15. Troy McClure

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    OH MY GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IT MUST BE TRUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


    I hope Kerry doesnt lose the endorsement of bat boy over this...


    [​IMG]
     
  16. SamFisher

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    Sensational.

    Jorge, you are now the centerpiece of my latest novel:

    [​IMG]

    PLAY IT AGAIN SAM
     
  17. basso

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    hmmm, not that i'm comparing W to them, but what were Lincoln's and FDR's personal war experiences? i recall lincoln fought mosquitos during the black hawk war, but FDR?
     
  18. Major

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    If he did cheat on his wife I would hope it comes out and is a non-factor, with Kerry winning the nomination and election so people will stop digging into candidates personal lives. Maybe if it came out and nobody paid attention it be start in ending the personal type of issues coming up.


    I dunno - I think a candidate's character is revelant to his or her ability to do the job. I would like to have a candidate that I believe in, both as a person and as a leader. I think its good for the country to have the best possible leader in place, and one with moral credibility is better than one without. I want a Democratic leader that is not easy to despise (similar to Bush Sr, unlike Clinton or Bush Jr) - it will make him a far more effective President in the long-run.

    I hope and assume he didn't cheat on his wife, but if he did, I would hope we could get him out of the way early and get Edwards in his place. I think Edwards is the better candidate anyway.
     
  19. B-Bob

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    basso, serious recommendation, not necessarily related:

    you'd enjoy The Fog of War, the new Morris documentary. It addresses at least "intestinal fortitude" and Vietnam from the defense secretary of those times. Cheers.
     
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    Why? Ronald Reagan cheated on his first wife with his second wife to be, and everyone in that threesome slept around outside of marriage, as most adults do.
     
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