Kerry fights off media probe of recent alleged infidelity, rivals predict ruin

We have irony here in abundant supply, B-Bob.

 

like accusing the president of being AWOL? turnabout's a b****, ain't it?

 

No.

Turnabout is fair play.

PAYBACK is a b****.

Mixed metaphors are just uncool.

 

Agreed. Kinda like Kerry decrying the influence of "special interests" in Washington while being a w**** to those same special interests throughout his career in DC.

 

Ah yes, it started with the AWOL allegation. Good to get that straight. With my poor memory, I'd thought negative, smear politics had been around longer than that.

And by the way, the AWOL isn't dead yet. Questions linger. (Which is really silly, to me, since why should anyone care exactly how Bush avoided Vietnam? Plenty of rich and not-rich kids did everything they could to avoid it).

edit: and, yes, Buck. agree. hypocrisy knows no party loyalty. see negative politics above. This drudge thread with no real sources can only achieve a thread of this quality. blech.

 

Oh, please. If that's the requirement the "biggest w****" in the country is parked in the White House... prostituting like mad.

 

This might surprise some of the Republicans here, but if Bush would just be up front about this it wouldn't be an issue for me. The fact that he has attempted to hide what he did and didn't do in the Guard, symptomatic of the way he's lived his life, in my opinion, is what really bothers me. I have no problem with someone who took whatever legal avenue was available to them to keep from going to Vietnam. Having lived through the period and having gone through the first draft lottery (lucky enough to get a high number.. many of my friends didn't), I completely understand. I'll repeat that... I completely understand. You had to have been there to "get it".

 

and since neither "aphorism" is a metaphor, idiocy can just be
I-G-N-O-R-E-D.

 

most of the commentary i've read on this suggests this is a Chris Lehane op, so it's an example of the Dems eating their own...

 

Really? I thought those two things really both are metaphors, unless there's a female dog named "payback" that's yelping about that is being alluded to of which I am unaware of. I suppose "turnabout' is borderline metaphorical. But the phrase "mixed metaphor and aphorism" is a lot more unwieldy than just saying "mixed metaphor".

Kudos to grammarianism though, and sorry that you feel the need to ignore as well as the need to lord it over me...although with your head constantly in the sand, I hardly believe such treatment is necessary.

 

Well, considering some of what's been posted here, this is interesting...


February 12, 2004
Source Says Clark Ready to Endorse Kerry
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

Filed at 3:04 p.m. ET

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Wesley Clark will endorse presidential contender John Kerry, a high-profile boost for the front-runner as he looks to wrap up the party's nomination, according to Democratic officials.

With next week's Wisconsin primary looming, Clark plans to join Kerry at a campaign stop in Madison, Wis., Friday to make a formal endorsement, said officials, speaking on condition of anonymity.

Clark spokesman Matt Bennett would not confirm the endorsement, and would only say, ``General Clark is looking forward to going to Wisconsin to be with Senator Kerry.''

Kerry has racked up wins in 12 of 14 Democratic contests and hopes to add Wisconsin to his win column. The backing of Clark, who registered in the low double digits in earlier Wisconsin polls, could increase Kerry's advantage in a state with 72 pledged delegates at stake.

The Southern-bred Clark dropped out of the race for the White House on Wednesday after disappointing third-place finishes in Tennessee and Virginia. The retired four-star general was unable to command significant support as a first-time presidential candidate, winning just one state -- Oklahoma -- in 14 contests.

He coupled his withdrawal with words of praise for his remaining rivals -- Kerry, Sen. John Edwards and former Vermont Gov. Howard Dean.

``They're good men, they're good Democrats and they're good patriots,'' Clark said. ``Our country is well-served'' by them, he added.

Clark, a 59-year-old career military man, burst onto the campaign last fall, supplanting his more experienced and better-known rivals at the top of the polls and demonstrating significant fund-raising ability.

The commanding general in NATO's war in Kosovo in 1999, Clark anchored his political appearances with a pledge of ``a higher standard of leadership'' and spoke to campaign audiences often of service, duty and honor.

Strategically, his first key decision was to bypass the kickoff Iowa caucuses in favor of the New Hampshire primary eight days later. Kerry's surprise caucus triumph trumped Clark's plan, and the former general faded to a distant third.

After Kerry won a surprise victory in the Iowa caucuses, Clark suggested that Kerry's experience as a Navy lieutenant could not match his own as a four-star general. He toned down his remarks, saying he wasn't trying to distinguish between his rank and Kerry's.

Clark wrestled with the decision to end his campaign as election returns rolled in Tuesday night, with advisers urging him to quit and family pushing him to continue. Before deciding to exit, he thanked several hundred cheering backers.

``We may have lost this battle today, but I tell you what, we're not to lose the battle for America's future,'' he said Tuesday.

Aides said Clark would remain active in the campaign by stumping for Democrats in the South and other swing states and serving as an adviser on national security issues.

In appealing to voters, Clark relied almost entirely on his 34 years in military service. Supporters touted other qualities -- his Southern roots and his status as a Washington outsider -- that they contended made Clark the candidate most likely to defeat Bush. Plus, he provided another forceful voice in condemning the war in Iraq, which he frequently called unnecessary, reckless and wrong.

Clark had enormous fund-raising success for a latecomer, raising nearly $15 million in 2003. He started January with at least $10 million left and the prospect of raising millions more.


http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/national/AP-Clark-Kerry.html?pagewanted=print&position=

 

teresa's thoughts on adultry:

 

Oh, please what? He's made this a cornerstone of his campaign, and his track record is pretty clear that he's done the exact opposite. I have a serious problem with that. Of course he's not the only one, hell, it's hard to name more than a handful of politicians who aren't total sluts to fundraising (I found Delay's announced crusade against budgetary pork particularly rich).

 

and by the way, i think there are many reasons why kerry doesn't belong in the whitehouse, but this should not be one of them.

i'm just feelin a bit of Boobenfreude:

(n) The feeling one gets when a celebrity makes an ass of themselves, and you are glad you are not them, e.g. when Janet Jackson bared her breast at the Superbowl halftime show. Alternatively, also used to describe the feelings of superiority that well up inside when a celebrity or politician acts like a fool, and does not realize it.

 

Geez I log in after a good, hard day of work and this is the mess I see in here?

I wonder if the same person that outed Plame is the one who called Drudge with the fabo scoop?

 

Jokes aside, care to elaborate? If you've already given your take in other threads, never mind.

How exactly does he make more of an ass of himself than George W. Bush, the uniter with a "strategery"? Or do you think they both make asses of themselves? Anyway, what are your main complaints with Kerry?

 

You know that sounds great "A man's personal life has...nothing to do with his ability.... to do his job." However, how a man leads his life does reflect upon his character. It is perfectly acceptable to want or not want a leader based on how you perceive his or her character. Remember a person's character is one thing people use to determine if that person is trustworthy.

For example, many people (on this board) said that who Clinton cheated with was none of our business. Well, except for the fact that he was a "celebrity" that's perfectly true. However, cheating on your wife means that you are breaking a vow (sworn before God if you belive in such things) and it means that you are lying to the one person who is supposed to be your life partner or soulemate (your wife).

It is perfectly reasonable to say that "if Clinton broke his marraige oath then he is capable of breaking his presidential oath" or that "if Clinton lied to his wife, what makes me think he won't lie to me?" Of course it doesn't mean that Clinton (or anyone for that matter) would do such things but it certainly allows for the possibility.

Bush's alchoholism was brought up by many people on this forum and by people in the press. Is that not part of his personal life? For some, it was no big deal and for others it was a reason to feel he wasn't fit for the job. Same with what Bush did in Vietnam. You can't blame anyone for not wanting to go and fight that war, however, how a person dealt with it reflects on their character. Did they go AWOL? Did they serve their country by going and fighting anyway, did they protest? All are valid actions that others can use to determine character.

Plus, different people put different weights on different things. It is wrong to assume that EVERY Democrat thought Clinton's infideltity was no one's business and it's wrong to assume that all Republicans thought it was a big deal.

Also, where do you draw the line with "personal life"? Beating your spouse is part of your personal life. So is being a drug user or a shoplifter. None of these things have anything to do with a persons job but they do reflect on a person's character.

We have to put faith in our politicians to do what's right for us and our country and many times we just have to take what they say on face value. But words mean very little (especially with regard to politicians) so people have to use other mechanisms to judge whether or not to trust a particular elected official. When a person demonstrates that they are willing to lie or break oaths in one aspect of their life, its not hard to make the assumption that they are capable of doing the same in other parts of their life (i.e. job).

 

So with John Forbes Kerry out of the picture, who is next?

BWA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

 

Wow. The steep descent of T_J, in terms of quality and humor, is a sad thing to witness. I swear, I've only been away for a week or so. It's like coming home from college and finding that the family pet is about to die,... that he sits soiling his own doggie bed uncontrollably.

Can something be done?