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Kerry/Edwards will win in November!

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by giddyup, Oct 4, 2004.

  1. giddyup

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    Hey, let's change your moniker to Astrodomus or Kerrykin... :D
     
  2. SlizardOO

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    Imagine a female president dealing with the middle east problems.
     
  3. fadeaway

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    The other day, a friend of mine said that Oprah could become president if she ever decided to run. At first I dismissed him as nuts, but the more I thought about it, the more intrigued I became with the idea. She definitely has the money to run a successful campaign, and she would lock up both the chick vote and the black vote. Also, people find it easy to relate to Oprah because of her background and rough upbringing. Most people love her. With a solid team of political advisors, Oprah could make some serious noise in the White House.
     
  4. nyquil82

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    eh, my gut says Boosh will win. Either way, I'm just glad that either way, we likely won't have to deal with either of them in four years.

    Let me just say that Americas' strength doesn't come from its military or economic strength, it comes from our short attention spans and our ability to get by with the marginal leaders currently at our disposal.
     
  5. outlaw

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    I'm thinking of voting for Bush just because I've voted against him 3 times in the past 10 years and he keeps winning.
     
  6. glynch

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    Does anybody remember if the last election, the closest in recent history , looked so back and forth for months before the election? I can't ever remember a race like this before.
     
  7. 4chuckie

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    Then she could run on a campaign of a new car for every tax payer!
     
  8. Lil Pun

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    We'll see won't we. The Oprah idea is interesting. I hope a woman does run for president pretty soon, even I admit that women are generally smarter than we men.
     
  9. glynch

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    Over the last week or so we have seen an edgy, enigmatic black and white image of George W. Bush appear on web-sites and blogs. At first people thought that sites had been hacked, as Eschaton and Kos and Democratic Underground spontaneously erupted with the black and white figure only to have it disappear and randomly return. Within days it linked to a mysterious DNC web-site with cryptic material that only slowly came into focus. Clearly something was up.

    This image is disconcerting and it evokes strong reactions because it symbolizes the cognitive dissonance so many of us have been living with for the last four years as we’ve watched the man who lost the election but won the office drive us to distraction with the contradictions of his character. And nothing has been more frustrating than the fact that so many in the media and in the public at large seemed to see something entirely different than we did.

    I believe that this happened because after 9/11, the media cast Bush in the role of strong, resolute leader, perhaps because the nation needed him to be that, at least for a little while. And the people gratefully laid that mantle on him and he took it because the office demanded no less. The narrative of the nation at war required a warrior leader and George W. Bush was all we had. Karl Rove and others understood that they could use this veil to soothe the American people and flatter the president to take actions that no prudent, thoughtful leader would have taken after our initial successes in Afghanistan. This “man with the bullhorn” image of Bush crystallized in the minds of many Americans and has not been revisited until now.

    That phony image took us from a sense of national unity to a misguided war with Iraq; it excused his failure to effectively manage the economy and fomented partisan warfare by portraying dissent as unpatriotic; it allowed people to overlook his obvious failure to take the threat of al Qaeda seriously before 9/11 (and even after) and created a hagiography based on wishful thinking and emotional need rather than any realistic appraisal of his leadership.

    His handlers wisely kept him under wraps, allowing him face time on television only in the company of world leaders or to give stirring speeches written by his gifted speechwriter, Mark Gerson. He rarely held press conferences and when he took questions, he was aggressively unresponsive, choosing instead to offer canned sound bites and slogans and daring the press corps to call him on it. Few did. The mask stayed in place and he remained a symbol instead of a president --- the symbol of American strength, resilience and fortitude. He was, in many people’s minds, the president they wished they had.

    On Thursday night sixty-one million people watched George W. Bush for the first time since 9/11 not as that symbol, but as a man. And for those who had not reassessed their belief in his personal leadership since 9/11, it was quite a shock. Their strong leader was inarticulate, arrogant, confused and immature. They must be wondering who that man was.

    The truth is that since George W. Bush entered politics he has always had two faces. In fact, virtually everything you know about his public persona is the opposite of the real person.

    He claims to be a compassionate, caring man, often admonishing people to "love your neighbor like you loved to be loved yourself." Yet, going all the way back to Yale, he is quoted as saying he disapproved of his fellow students as "people who felt guilty about their lot in life because others were suffering." His business school professor remembers him saying that poor people are poor because they are lazy. This from a man who was born rich into one of America's leading families and relied on those connections for everything he ever achieved.

    He lectures on responsibility, saying that he's going to end the era of "if it feels good do it" and yet he failed to live up to his responsibility as a young man in the crucible of his generation, the Vietnam war. In fact, if it felt good, he did it and did it with relish --- for forty years of his fifty eight year life. He has never fully owned up to what he did during those years spent in excess and hedonism, relying on a convenient claim of being “born again” to expiate him of his sins. Would that everyone had it so easy.

    He ostentatiously calls himself a committed Christian and yet he rarely attends church unless it’s a campaign stop or a national occasion. The man who claims that Christ is his favorite political philosopher famously and cruelly mocked a condemned prisoner begging for her life. He portrays himself as a man of rectitude yet he pumped his fist and said "feels good!" in the moment before he announced that the Iraq war had begun. (One would have thought that if there was ever a time to utter a prayer it was then.) How many funerals of the fallen has he attended? How many widows has he personally comforted?

    He portrays himself as a salt of the earth "hard working" rancher, clearing brush on his land in an artfully sweaty Calvin Klein-style t-shirt. Yet in the first 8 months of his presidency leading up to 9/11, he spent 42% of his time on vacation. His "ranching" didn't begin until he bought his million dollar property just before he ran for president in 1999. He has lived in suburbs and cities since a brief period in his childhood in the 50’s, when he lived in the medium sized boom town of Midland before going to Andover.

    He actively promotes the notion that he is a man of action yet in the single most important moment of his life he froze in front of school kids, continuing on with a script prepared before the national psyche was blown to bits. He didn’t take charge. He didn’t react. He was paralyzed at the moment of the nation’s worst peril.

    He claims to be a strong leader and yet he is skillfully manipulated by his staff, who learned early that the only thing they needed to do to convince him of the rightness of their recommended course was to flatter him by saying it was the "brave" or "bold" thing to do. His self-image as a resolute leader is actually a lack of self confidence that is ripe for exploitation by competing advisors who use it to convince this him to do their bidding. This explains why he seems to believe that he is acting with resolve when he has just affected an abrupt about-face. His advisors had persuaded him to change course simply by telling him he was being resolute.

    George W. Bush is a man with two faces--- a public image of manly strength and a private reality of childish weakness. His verbal miscues and malapropisms are the natural consequence of a man struggling with internal contradictions and a lack of self-knowledge. He can’t keep track of what he is supposed to think and say in public.

    There is no doubt that whether it's a cowboy hat or a crotch hugging flightsuit , George W. Bush enjoys wearing the mantle of American archetypal warriors. But when he goes behind the curtain and sheds the costume, a flinty, thin-skinned, immature man who has never taken responsibility for his mistakes emerges. The strong compassionate leader is revealed as a flimsy paper tiger.

    On Thursday night, the president forgot himself. After years of being protected from anyone who doesn't flatter and cajole, he let his mask slip when confronted with someone who didn't fear his childish retribution or need anything from him. Many members of the public got a good sharp look at him for the first time in two years and they were stunned. Like that black and white image, the dichotomy of the real Bush vs. the phony Bush is profoundly discomfiting.

    Luckily for America and the world, a fully synthesized, mature man stood on the other side of that stage ready to assume the mantle of leadership, not as a theatrical costume but as an adult responsibility for which he is prepared by a lifetime of service, study and dedication. I would imagine that many voters felt a strong sense of relief that he was there.link
     
  10. basso

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    whoever wins, I only hope it's not close, and that the loser has the grace to lose with dignity. furthermore, i hope the losing party actually grants the winner a chance to govern. lastly, win or lose, a brief november 3rd post-mortem will be my swan song in the d&d.
     
  11. 4chuckie

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    Get over it he won the election
     
  12. RocketMan Tex

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    Great post, Glynch. I couldn't agree more.

    Basso....you will be missed, whether you believe it or not.
     
  13. ima_drummer2k

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    Man, as soon as basketball season starts, I'm not even going to read this forum for a loooong time, much less post in it. I'll read the meltdown the day after Bush wins, but after that....strictly GARM for me. ;)
     
  14. Willis25

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    it would be a pay cut for her
     
  15. MadMax

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    honestly...i seriously doubt the president won't be re-elected.
     
  16. RocketMan Tex

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    Ya can't get re-elected when ya didn't get elected in the foist place!!

    :D

    Seriously....I'm with you. I will be very, albeit pleasantly, surprised if Bush does not win.
     
  17. Chance

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    Does anyone else still frequent www.electoral-vote.com or has it been abandoned? I still go every now and then and am encouraged by its latest poll.

    It is looking more like 1984 and less like 2000 with every passing day.
     
  18. basso

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    a bunch of the guys were touting it as an anti-dote to rasmussen and some of the other supposedly rightest polls a week or so ago. now, i imagine they've changed their tune. still, i'm deeply sceptical of any poll that shows either candidate with a big lead right now, although to be honest, it's really hard to sort through all the chaff the MSM throws out around Notbush's mo.
     
  19. bnb

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    I'll save my rant about homeland security and the patriot act for another day :p

    (i can't see George's numbers increasing from here. Just don't know what cards he has left to play...).
     
  20. mc mark

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    OBL
     

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