Kerrey: No wonder Democrats are not trusted with the reins of power

Again no meaningful realation Iraq to 9/11. Stating it even over and over does not make it so.

Now we must stay and keep sending working class kids, even if a majoity thinks the war a mistake,.

In other words it is true that even though Sadam was a dictator he could have been containted with less costs to the US . A remarkable admission.
Basso, I assume you disagree with this part of the article?

It is true that it is a contradiction to support the iniation of a civil war and then decry in great moral outrage the type of genocide that often occurs once the dogs of war have been unleashed.

 

Suppose Al Qaeda tried to overthrow the democracy in Canada. I would expect a lot of opponents of Bush's War to urge intervention. I would..

I agree, about the determination of Iraqis for self government, but so should American conservatives and moderates. That is why most Iraqis support attacking our occupying troops.

OUr war has led to quite a mess..

My conscience tells me to oppose unnecessary wars, one whose case has not been made by this author. Also someone should give him the news that there were no appreciable AlQaeda in Iraq prior to the war per admission I now believe this has been admitted by Bush and Cheney. Still aren't many and the Iraqis are in a better position to deal with these folks than our kids from our rural areas.

This is a key question and most of the world thinks correctly that our presence strengthen the radical Islamists

Now we have it!?

If even a purported psychological vicgtory for Bin Laden is the real reason to continue the war in Iraq, despite the author's now admission that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, why not abandon the Iraq War and put say 10% of those resources into catching Bin Laden? Then we could do more than merely deny him a psychological victory.

 

True.

I think what the author is saying is that we caused radical Islamic terrorism to arrive in Iraq because we like democracy so much that this the high price we are willing to pay. I guess he would tie it in by saying then we have to stay till we defeat said radical Islamic terrorists. The problem with this logic is that our mere presence probably create more radical Islamic terrorists than we kill in the long forseeable future.

I think so. No need to subscribe to the author's invade first mindset.

The American people will need that consensus regardless of when, and under what circumstances, we withdraw U.S. forces from Iraq.

Hopefully the author does not have in mind an Iraqi style invasion and occupation of Pakistan with its 500 million or however many people tiill we subdue the radical isalmicists that I guess even he would allow would arise against our army of democracy builders.

 

Dayum Glynch, you just went postal on this piece. I understand though, I can't believe someone is still connecting 9-11 and Iraq, its a joke

 

Say it often enough and it becomes the truth.

 

It is true, I should have just said: " I could imagine disagreeing with the post. Mainly I object to it being an opinion piece, when Basso could have just put his own opinion." AS HALF-BREED WOULD PUT IT.

 

Basso, I sympathize with you. Kerrey is pretty "muddled" on Iraq, as I demonstrated above, so I guess it is tough for you not to be muddled either.

I think, Basso, that the perceptual problem of cognitive dissonance is the obstacle you are having in actually assimilating new facts as they arise in Iraq and therebye what should be new opinions wrt to the Iraqi War.

 

What a crock of sh*t!

Shiites are fairly radical Islamic fundamentalists. who are currently supporting democracy in Iraq.

 

164,741,924 by July 2007 according to CIA estimates.

 

Once again, the 'Saving Private Ryan' mythos of America as the great and generous bringer of democracy in WWII. The mythology created around WWII has done more to harm this country that anything else.

 

Here is the problem with these threads....

They are all the same.

Those who are against the war are resolute in their belief. There is no changing their mind even if we found out that the Iraquis financed 9/11, masterminded the OK City bombing, and defacated in the water fountain.

Those who are for the war are resolute in their belief. There is no changing their mind even if God himself came from heaven and told us that the Iraquis are the chosen people and that they are collectively going to cure cancer, AIDS, and bunyons.

Basically, since there are two sides with equally resolute beliefs, it degenerates into a name calling, ire raising, exercise in futility.

Carry on.

 

basso, at a critical point in the battle for the future of civilization, what with the Surge being our only hope, I'd figure you'd be posting up a storm. Instead you come up with half-hearted, infrequent efforts like this. At a time when your capacities are most needed, you are coming up empty. I am beginning to doubt your commitment to total victory.

There are so few people remaining in favor of the war or the way it has been mishandled that only the true diehards remain, who are willing to "create their own reality", to borrow a term from the Admin itself. Of course it's not going to change anything.

 

I disagree, Refman. There are posters here who have done a 180 on the war. Not me. Not Batman. We didn't have to. Not a few others who were against it before it began, but several have changed their minds, just as the country has changed it's mind.

Perhaps if you posted here more often, you could help raise the quality of discussion.



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Deckard, in case you forget I was against the war all along.

Frankly, the position that everyone is equally wrong, bull headed or unyielding is a sort of intellectual copout IMHO.

Those who saw through the imperialist America uber alles bullsh** from the beginning were correct. Frankly the info was there to be had among the liberal, non-mainstream press and we reposted it from the beginning on this forum,.

Everyone is entitled to an opinion but some are frequently more correct than others. I realize that a contented, moderate middle of the road position can be appealing to a certain extent and even give the illusion of intellectual rationality and reasonableness.

 

Noted. I'll get to work on that.

 

I didn't forget. You were one of those "few others" I was thinking of. I was afraid that if I attempted to name them all I'd forget someone, which I certainly would have done, considering how good my memory is these days. (unless the subject involves sex in some way... I seem to have an excellent memory for those experiences, no matter how many decades ago they were!)




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