Not nearly enough, IMO...Consider that Kenny, who is regarded as primarily a scorer, averaged 14.1 ppg in his 'breakout' 3rd season...That's 0.1 more ppg than Peterson averaged, in almost 4 fewer minutes per game, in his second season. Add to that the fact that Peterson has good size for a 2/3, whereas Kenny is undersized, Peterson is considered a good and improving defender, where Kenny is very limited on D, and that Peterson is considered to have a very good upside, whereas Kenny is thought by many to be pretty near his limits. I don't think that's a realistic deal...but it would be a steal. Bradley + is, IMO, much more realistic.
Grunwald just split a hundred million dollars between Hakeem, Vince, Antonio Davis, Jerome Williams and Alvin Williams. He let Kareem Rush go to the Lakers. He let Keon Clark walk. He would probably trade the Blue Jays for Kenny Thomas. Morris Peterson is perfectly reasonable.
If we could swing a trade that gives us Mo Pete for KT, I am all for it. MoPete would be a very solid backup SG. Rudy loves the guy also. Giving up KT would relieve the log jam we have at the 4, thus giving Eddie more playing time. PG: Francis, Norris, Maddox SG: Mobley, Peterson, OT SF: Rice, Nachbar PF: Griffin, Taylor C: Ming, Cato The depth on our team makes me drool.
I've got it figured out. Houston sends Cato/KT/conditional future #1 pick to Toronto. Toronto sends Dream/MoPete/Bradley to Houston. Toronto gets a legit center & an up & coming young PF to groom as Davis's replacement, while moving the oft-injured Dream off the books. Houston brings Dream back, with an agreement that he'll spend this year on the IL & retire after the first home game in the new arena(great PR move). We also get a pretty good 2/3 in MoPete & replace KT with a promising young PF that won't demand a lot of PT at first. That would allow us to start Ming without any worries of dissension on the team. If Griffin has developed a low post game & added some muscle, he could log some minutes at the center position, as could Taylor. Just imagine the play calling......, Ming blocks the shot! Mo-P grabs the ball & passes up court to Mo-T, who passes to a streaking T-Mo for the easy layup. Okay, so The Cat is probably closer to the right guess than I am, but it's nice to dream a little(any way we can get rid of Cato, is a dream come true for me )
First of All, Francis and Mobes and Mooch are real good friends with JYD, but we dont need a pf. If he can play sf, we could use him. Secondly on MoPete. This guy is way more valuable to a team like us than KT. He could possibly start ar SF, and also fill the backup 2 guard that we need. He didnt get 14 points coming off the bench the whole season. When VC was out, I bet this guy averaged about 18-20 points a night starting. He is a very very good player that just needs a chance, and we could give him one. So Here's the trade: Houston gets:Mo Peterson, Pick we owe Toronto Toronto gets:Kenny Thomas and Moochie Norris You can hate on me all you want, but this trade is fair for both teams. We dont need Mooch with Tierre(Save Tierre!!) and Tito Maddox backing us up. what we do need is one more person that can swing around the court, and play more than one position. Especially someone that can play sg/sf.
Extremely intriguing trade scenarios. However, has anyone seen MoP play? This guy would be are starting SF. Unless Rice has regained his game of 6-7 years ago this summer or Boki is Bird recarnate, MoP would be are starter. He would be a great addition and could add mins as SG. Has solid defensive skills and is a gamer from what I've seen. I'd make the 1-for-1 swap for KT in a heartbeat. The talk of Bradley is probably more likely, but I believe Cat metioned the salary cap probs that TOR is trying to rectify. If we could get both MoP and Bradley that would be great! I'm not sure they would want Cato's contract, but in the East, he may be worth closer to those figures. I'm not sure Dream will be coming back any time soon. My 2 cents.
Dream is only our Dream. The Dream is over as a viable player on a decent team! If he comes back it should be as a member of the Rockets STAFF and only if he wants it! Cato for Hakeem is not in our favour! Lets remember him as our Champion, not as a player that should have retired two seasons ago.
KT for MoPete is the only trade that makes sense imo. If Bradley was any good Toronto wouldn't be looking for a big man. He might have some potential(for what, who knows) but right now he is a fringe player. It'd be better to just keep KT around than to give him up for Bradley. And I can't think of anything they could sweeten the deal with either. Jeffries maybe? Toronto wont throw in a future 1st. MoPete might be a better player than KT(which I don't really buy, sorry), but if Toronto feels they need a big man capable of playing a lot of minutes, he just might be expendable, after the acquisition of Lamond. Still, talk and rumors doesn't mean a deal will actually happen.
Why is anyone even discussing Olajuwon??? His career is over. We need him like we need more ISO's on offense. I love the guy, but this isn't about sentiment. It's about making the team better. Hakeem will be back as a Houstonian and probably a season ticket holder. He'll also get his number retired. That's it. You don't allow Toronto out of a contract and push us into one just for sentiment. Not after you traded the big fella away. I still think Thomas for Peterson is lopsided. It doesn't mean the Raptors won't do it, but it seems a little too much in favor of the Rockets.
If Kenny Thomas is traded to Toronto I get the feeling that this willl be a move made solely for Kenny Thomas's sake. I could see the Rockets taking a player like Micheal Bradley and maybe a second round pick if it means that Kenny Thomas would be in a much more agreeable situation in Totonto where he could start and have a great opportunity for a nice contract extension. So I wouldn't be too suprised if the Rockets end up acquiring a player/talent of much lesser value after its all said and done.
I don't like it. We need to win THIS year and Bradley may be a great prospect (jury is out) but KT is a big chunk of our depth. He showed up last year when we needed it. Mo Pete for Kenny and ?... I can see. Isn't Mooch BYC and couldn't work right now in a trade (at least this scenario)?
A message to KENNY THOMAS:- Remember to be calm and collected! You are a Houston Rocket. You are an important Role Player. You can and will improve till you reach your peak. With the Rockets you are with a Championship Team in the making. This Team looks like it will become a Dynasty in more than one way! If you go to another Team such as Totonto, you will realise just how good a players Coach like Rudy T. realy is and that Lenny Wilkins is no where in the same class as Rudy T.( just ask Hakeem). Toronto has very little chance of winning the NBA Championship in the next TEN years, they just won't have the chemistry.The way most Teams play, you will loose your identity, which you are building with the Rockets Organisation, and will always wish you had stayed with us(just ask Hakeem).Remember like most of our players you are a Rocket from the beginning of your professional career, a situation almost unique, building a relationship and chemistry and friendship, with the big prize as your goal. Please don't leave because of greed. Players, when they are Traded or just Released, reget very deeply that they are not here in Houston, where they know that they have been established, known and wanted!! Yetti
1. If the Rockets are able to nab Morris Peterson for Kenny Thomas, CD should win GM of the year. That is an absolute steal. MoPete could start at small forward and back up at the 2, has range, speed, maturity, and big game experience. We would be clearing the log jam at the 4 while addressing a need perfectly. 2. With #1 in mind, the Raptors would never trade MoPete for Kenny Thomas. This was their 2nd best player last season and a guy they feel should be a big part of their future. They are not going to just trade him for Kenny Thomas - they could do better. Outside of this BBS, I would doubt many think <i>that</i> highly of Kenny, a tweener who is not good enough to start on most teams. Realistically, this will never happen. 3. On the other hand, the Rockets would be crazy to trade KT for Michael Bradley. This is a must-win season for Rudy and co. and I can't see them trading away what was their only post option last season for a player who has not even developed. KT for Bradley is certainly out of the question. 4. Charlie Palilo is probably the only sports radio personality in Houston that I respect. He wouldn't just make something up unless it was legit. However, I don't remember him ever claiming to know of any trade talks in the past. Perhaps he was just speculating that "the Rockets should trade KT somewhere to the East, maybe Toronto" and the aforementioned "Loogie" misinterpreted his statement?
ROCKET 03 You must know very little about the current scene of what is going on in the NBA! To suggest getting rid of a fairly decent Point Guard in exchange for an injured player well past it and in need of retirement,is just not a good move! We all love what Dream has done for our Team but we are again building a new Dynasty, not a Retirement Home!
Late to the party, as usual. Anyway, I think thecabbage pretty much summed up al of my opinions, although I don't know how much "big game" expericen Mo Pete really has. Nonetheless, if we could pull of KT for Mo Pete it would probably turn this offseason into one of the best in franchise history (if we're rating offseasons prior to actually seeing how the trades work out). Mo Pete is good, would fit in really nicely with Francis/Mobley/Moochie/Nachbar, and would give this team two Mo's. Doesn't get better than that!
I think his upcoming extension has something to do with the trade. He may not be willing to sign it because of the minutes he'll be getting here, so the Rockets are looking to trade him. So it could be his decision to sign the extension and stay, or be traded in hopes of getting more minutes. Personaly, I hope he stays in Houston.
I meant that he couldn't prevent a trade if the Rockets wanted it. He has everything to do with this scenario, of course. I would only consider moving KT if we got value in return that would help us THIS year. I'm a big K9 fan. You could be right about his contract issues having some influence on what the Rocks might do.
