Kim, We keep dogs as pets, we don't eat dogs. We keep cats as pets, we don't eat cats. We don't keep cows as pets, we eat cows. Do you understand the correlation? We get sad when something we've grown attached to (dogs, cats, bambi, flipper) is put to death. If we started to keep cows as domestic animals or maybe made a movie with cute cows, I'm sure more of us would be saddened by the death of a cow. I know when I saw City Slickers, that first hamburger I had after seeing the movie was a little bit harder to digest. ------------------ This post contains no smilies, you must judge my seriousness on your own... [This message has been edited by Pete Rose Mobster (edited July 10, 2001).]
I think you have very strange logic, Kim. Animals were put here for us to eat. Plain and simple. We have absolutely no emotional bond with cows, chickens, etc. because they're not normal pets! We did not grow up with them, and therefore developed no feelings toward them. So of course we're not going to feel a thing when they die. Dogs, on the other hand, are pets. People grow up with their pets and develope an emotional bond with it. They are loyal animals (sometimes), and therefore people will feel sad when they die. ------------------ [This message has been edited by New Kid On The Block (edited July 10, 2001).]
Yeah, well I don't follow the bible in any way. Animals have a right to live. Cows are our natural prey, so we eat them. Will that dog be eaten? No, it died for nothing. Did the dog kill anyone? No, so why should the dog be killed? ------------------ Protrolls.com! "I want to be like Olajon." -Sagana Diop has the right idea... Keep the ???? alive!
You act as if we should treat all animals the same, Kim. Just because a cow is an animal and a dog is an animal doesn't mean we should feel the same way about them. Should all vegetarians feel just as bad if they stepped on a cricket, or an ant as they do seeing a dog put to sleep? If they didn't, are they hypocrites? When a cow dies to provide me with meat, it died serving its purpose. When a little pet dog dies because it bit someone on the face when they stuck their head right next to them unexpectedly, that dog did not die serving its purpose, and that is sad, because it was for nothing. If a cow (that I was acquainted with, and liked) had nipped someone on the hand, and then been put to death without being chopped up for steaks, then yes, I would feel bad for the cow. Am I still hypocritical? I am adhering to my own set of beliefs. Besides, it was a little Boston Terrier. Sure, they can do damage, but what are the odds that it did enough damage to really warrant plastic surgery? I would be willing to bet that if it weren't an NBA player who made lots and lots of money, the procedure would not have been done, and the victim would just accept whatever scar was the result. It seems everyone is acting like this incident is catastrophic because the words "plastic surgery" were used. This does not mean that the man's face was mauled beyond recognition. It means that a very visible person, with lots of money had a face injury bad enough for people to notice, and decided to have it removed. This could have been a very minor scar. I got bit on the ass one time for retrieving a football out of my neighbors yard. A huge Chow saw me jump the fence, and tagged me a good one on the rump when I was jumping back over. I don't blame the dog, I was invading its space, and I knew it. This situation is not much different. It is a shame that KT didn't know better, or that Jim Boylen or his wife didn't warn KT in time, but that is not really something that should be blamed on the dog now, is it? ------------------ Rockets need power forward. Mo near now. Go near Mo. You can Run from the bet, you can Rave at the bet...but you just can't hide. [This message has been edited by Raven Lunatic (edited July 10, 2001).]
Common now, this situation is very different. When you jump in a neighbor's yard, you're going to anticipate a guard dog that will take your ass down. When you stick your head inside a freakin car windows, why the hell would anyone anticipate a dog taking a snap at him? ------------------
They don't have much of a reason to anticipate it. I never said they should, but from the dog's eyes, it is the same situation. It is his territory, his space, his personal area. The violations are the same. It is unfortunate that KT either didn't see the dog, didn't know that it would bite him, or that either of the Boylen's didn't warn him, but like I say, it should not be held against the dog for reacting as a dog might normally act when its space is invaded unexpectedly. I know the situations aren't completly comparable, but they are similar enoug to make my point. The dog was acting on self-defense instincts. If it really were that dangerous, I am sure the Boylens would not have been keeping it as a pet. Now, if the dog did seem aggressive unreasonably, before and after, possibly indicating an element of rabidness, then I do think it is in everyone's best interest to put the dog down. Maybe that is what happened... who knows why this dog did it. My point is that there is an equally good chance, if not a better chance, that the dog bit KT for perfectly normal reasons, and that the dog should not be put to death because of the one transgression. ------------------ Rockets need power forward. Mo near now. Go near Mo. You can Run from the bet, you can Rave at the bet...but you just can't hide.
What I would like to know, how did KT being as tall as he maybe listed, have a short dog bite him in the face? I am a KT fan. I would like him to stay. Lets not kill the dog, but ask why was your face close enough to get bit by the dog! Sorry, but I have a theory. Don't start no ****, there won't be no ****. Don't put your face where a dog could bite it. Hey, I don't know call me crazy. Bottom line, sign Hakeem at market price because he is a Rocket and the best option at center. Take the rest of the money and sign Mo Taylor and others, because the Rockets could probably sign their own players for what it would take to get Weber. If we sign Weber for the big contract. I wonder what is left for Steve and Cat when their contracts come due? I prefer Mo Taylor, Moochie and a veteran small forward because no matter what I have heard, Eddie Griffin is not ready to start at SF. If he is still around, I think Walt is a better option at SF. RT likes Walt at PF sometimes during the game. We all agree Cat is a better SG and Shandon isn't quite the SF we are looking for. Steve can be a SG, we have several SF types that are young. ------------------
Not sure how KT got his face bit. To short to be a real PF, but a short dog got some!! Bottom line, KT has done more than what was expected when he was drafted in the first round. I say after three years, what does he have to prove? As much as I like Shandon because he came here when he could have stayed in Utah. So long. SF spot overloaded. Walt still taller and better shooter. He tries on defense. ------------------
I am not saying that all situations are the same. I have been around all animals. Dogs were our pets...They were protective and worked hard (did what they were told).. How does somebody 6 foot something tall, get bit in the face by a short dog? Don't start no ****, there won't be no ****! If said dog was allowed to be near KT's face without said owner in charge? Now I have read posts that said that the dog in question, should be killed? Huh??? I have a cat and if I shove my face into him and mess with him, he will slash me. His fault? I don't think so. All he probably wanted was some food. My point is keep your face out of range! ------------------
Steak tastes a hell of a lot better than dog. I love my dog, I love a good steak, and I dont see how either of these things have anything to do with the Rockets. I feel horrible for KT, but at least Cato is going to get some summer work in. Every cloud has a silver lining ------------------
Let me start by saying that I think this is very serious. But, it's possible that Jim didn't put up much of a fight for the little yapper. My ex-fiancee had a little dog and I used to take pleasure at the thought of beating to death with a shovel (and I'm an animal lover). This may be a situation where to dog nipped Kenny in the face (probably minor) and Jim jumped at the chance to get rid of it. That was smart to do it quickly before the Mrs. cathes on stops the thrill kill. Just a thought... Get better Kenny. ------------------ [This message has been edited by Rocketsauce (edited July 10, 2001).]
I still have to say, was Kenny bent over at the waist when he got bit in the face? OK, maybe I am wrong, big dog standing on its hind legs meant to bite KT on top of his head, but got his face instead? My bad, just trying to get to the bottom of things. I hope that this is truly an accident, but no matter what, let the dog live! We are tougher then these animals!
WHAT!!! OK I may not be All on Kim's side here but his/her point is valid BUT this coming from you . .. . COWS ARE OUR NATURAL PREY?!?!?!??! You HATE HUNTING!!! remember???? Prey means something to be hunted and consumed? ZRB - you are coming off like a hypocrit!! BTW Dogs and Cats are eaten in some part of the world. [hell if it's eat a dog or starve to death. . . .fido would be a casserole!!] Rocket River ------------------
OK Let me get this Str8 KT is to blame for putting his face in the area [not unlike a rape victim in a short skirt?] The Bowlens is to blame for not properly restraining the dog [not unlike the parents of columbine for their kids] The Dog is blameless because it is nature [like the woman who killed her 5 kids cause she was 'depressed'] Rocket River ------------------
River, see how it's much easier to say that the situation is amoral? Kenny stuck his face in a window. A little yapper bit him on the lip. That's unfortunate, but no normative statements can be made on the situation.
And Cato, Big Country, Jim McIlwhatshisname are guilty for taking large chunks of money offered to them by GMs on a Crown Royale bender? ------------------
I guess what I am trying to say. There isn't a dog big enough or tall enough to bite Kenny's face if Kenny was standing upright. Nobody has asked him to otherwise. Ok new approach. Don't start no stuff, there won't be no stuff.
