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Kenny Thomas and the Most Improved Player Award

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by across110thstreet, Mar 18, 2002.

  1. DaDakota

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    MO T apologists...I cast a HEX on you all !!!!

    Mo is a decent player, but is NOT a good PF, KT has more fire in his little pinky then Mo has in his entire Body.

    KT at 6'7" is averaging 7+ rebounds a game, MO T has never even averaged 6.....

    Don't give me this minutes played GARBAGE, he averaged PLENTY of minutes when he was with the Clipps, and they missed PLENTY of shots that should have allowed him to get more then 5 rebounds a game.

    The problem with Mo T is a simple one really....HE IS A SLACKER !!!!

    DaDakota

    PS The win totals last year had more to do with Dream deciding to play the last 25 games at a high level then Mo getting his 13-4 every night....OPEN YOUR EYES PEOPLE !!!
     
  2. pippendagimp

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    Uh Dak......go re-check your records regarding Mo T and 6rebs!!!
     
  3. NCSTATEFAN

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    How about just judging the player by his basketball ability. Exactly what is you don't like about KT work ethic, talent, and desire? Other than NOT being 6'9 +?

    And since MoT is such a winner, why was his former Clips team constantly at the bottom of the league? He's a winner right? A guy who can carry his team to AT LEAST a .500 record?

    As much as I like KT, Im begining to wish him out of Houston to another city that will give him the props he deserves.
     
  4. DaDakota

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    I love KT's game. He has made drastic improvements over past years. His outside shot is better, and his spin move is better. He even, occasionally, plays somewhat decent defense.

    I just think Taylor does everything almost as well as KT. His offense is just as good, his defense is just as good and he does a lot of other little things. I can think of a number of Mo T dunks on fast breaks, but don't recall seeing KT finish many fast breaks at all this year. I see poor picks being set on our team as a whole. Why? We have no wide, or big bodies. Taylor is a big body, and despite his smooth jumper, he bangs on the inside. The best player we have on our team right now at that - Jason Collier. I realize Taylor got into foul trouble often last year, but so what. This team is soft, it is okay to play a little more physical sometimes. Does Taylor rebound as well...no! But the discrepancy isn't as bad on a per minute basis as one would think, and I don't see rebounding as a huge problem for this team. Even with KT's "better rebounding," teams like the Clippers still consistently push us around on the inside. I'd rather have a banger.

    What is so hard to understand about what i was pointing out. With Taylor on the team last year and starting we put in a very good regular season (equal to our 2nd championship season in fact). This year we have won less. I understand that it isn't because KT is starting. But, given that their stats are the same, what argument can be made for replacing Taylor without giving him a chance to live up to his contract?

    Go ahead DaDakota, bring out the effort stuff again. You base his effort solely on the results of his rebounding (which is ludicrous as a lot of times you can give 200% in life and not see the results you would like). I base Taylor's effort from what I saw going to the games last year. He was often giving more than anyone else on the court.

    Is he a proven consistent winner...no. But what I like about him is that he is a consummate role player. When everything was clicking in the 1st quarters last year the team's offense was beautiful. It helped make us one of the most "exciting teams in the league to watch." This year, even with KT playing superb games, watching our offense is often like watching paint dry.

    I just see no reason to take the starting PF job away from a healthy, in shape Taylor.

    KT is constantly getting props on this board and in the media now. I love his game. I think he could be a great PF in the East, and even in the West could start for a number of the lesser teams. Heck, the Lakers would be a much better team if they replaced Samaki Walker with Kenny Thomas. I'd like to see him come off the bench for the Rockets next year, though, and still get around 25 minutes a game. I just think Taylor should be allowed to lose the job himself.
     
  6. pippendagimp

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    ....but ya can't say he "never even averaged 6" :D
     
  7. DaDakota

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    Jay,

    What you fail to realize and this is important, is that the offense is not as good this year BECAUSE of the new rules.

    Having Mo T or KT it would not matter one lick, the problem is that teams are able to zone on the weakside, and thus prevent our dribble penetration from having as big an effect.

    I don't hate Mo Lazy, I just do not see the effort on a consistent basis that you see.

    Heck, even the CLIPPERS didn't see it. I think Mo has potential, but his attitude is what is hindering him, he is lazy on defense, he gets in foul trouble because he does not move his feet.

    I had heard good things about him in the offseason before he was injured, and am MORE then willing to give him a chance to prove himself next year.

    However, with KT on board, Mo has a much shorter leash.

    DaDakota
     
  8. lpbman

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    Ranks #8 in the NBA in Rebounds Per Game(10.0)
    Ranks #8 in the NBA in Steals Per Game(1.85)
    Ranks #9 in the NBA in Minutes Played(2573.0)
    Ranks #10 in the NBA in Field Goals Made(537.0)
    Ranks #14 in the NBA in Field Goal Attempts(1140.0)
    Ranks #16 in the NBA in Offensive Rebounds(183.0)
    Ranks #15 in the NBA in Offensive Rebounds Per Game(2.7)
    Ranks #7 in the NBA in Defensive Rebounds(484.0)
    Ranks #8 in the NBA in Defensive Rebounds Per Game(7.2)
    Ranks #7 in the NBA in Total Rebounds(667.0)
    Ranks #5 in the NBA in Steals(124.0)
    Ranks #5 in the NBA in Steals Per Turnover(1.11)
    Ranks #5 in the NBA in Double-doubles(35.0)
    Ranks #16 in the NBA in Field Goals Per 48 Minutes(10.02)

    Well if you need to be sold on Marion:D

    Sane
     
  9. RunninRaven

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    Calling Mo Taylor a "slacker" and "lazy" is ridiculous. The man may not rip down 10 boards a game, but that doesn't mean that he didn't try. He simply does not have good rebounding instincts, but he TRIED as hard as KT does. You are calling a player lazy based a very small difference in rebounding. Mo Taylor was VERY upset that he wasn't able to play this season and help his team out. Would a lazy player or a slacker give a ****? I think not. Not to mention reports that Taylor has hit the weight room very hard this season since he can't play, and has put on some muscle in doing so. I don't see much evidence available that makes Mo Taylor a slacker.
     
  10. DaDakota

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    Call a spade a spade...

    Mo Taylor is a slacker, and the mar1juana incident did nothing to help him in my eyes.

    That incident alone shows how he takes his PROFESSIONAL job.

    Mo is simply a LAZY MO FO !!!

    DaDakota
     
  11. verse

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    i still am not sold on marion for these reasons...

    1) he cannot dribble
    2) he cannot shoot beyond 20ft.
    3) he cannot create his own shot.

    defensively, he's above average, yes. but on offense, i see him being a spacing hinderance. we already have power forwards that rely on the 10-18 foot area. our small forward needs to be able to extend out to 3 point range, so cat and steve have better lanes to penetrate through. with marion, the opposing 3 can sag and prevent those lanes from opening.
     
  12. JayZ750

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    I disagree slightly. Mo had, at least, some low post game. KT's scoring comes that same way as Mobley/Francis. Get the ball on the outside, hold it for a while, and either hit an outside shot or penetrate. Don't get me wrong, he does it well, but it just isn't enough variety. It is why I'd prefer to have him come off the bench with Moochie at the same time, around 2-3 minutes left in the first, to replace Taylor and Francis. Francis comes back to replace Mobley a few minutes into the second, Taylor comes back to replace KT with about 5 minutes to go in the half, with KT pulling some time at SF, Griffin getting some minutes at all three positions (C, PF, SF), or something liek that.

    That's all that I think should happen as well.
     
  13. JayZ750

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    double post
     
  14. pippendagimp

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    C'mon Dak, more than 3/4 of the players blaze out every now and then.......are all NBA players unprofessional slackers?


    *all IMHO - pls look up yo own ****!*
     
  15. verse

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    exactly...including a few rockets...
     
  16. DaDakota

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    Pippengimp,

    Anyone who is BLAZING as you say, is not respecting the sport, and has not given it their all to try to win as a team player.

    In fact, it is JUST PLAIN STUPID to BLAZE and try to play basketball. The rules are there, and they will catch you.

    Don't blaze....play !!!

    DaDakota
     
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    Some of you are just a little too obsessed with rebound stats...

    KT averages 1.8 rebounds more than Taylor in 6 more minutes.

    Whoopty-freaking-doo

    I like both KT and Mo, but it's a ****ing joke to bash Taylor and praise KT as Mr. Hustle when he averages under 2 rebounds more in 6 more minutes. If you really want to get technical, then if you stretch Mo's minutes to 35 (KT's minutes), then there's only 1 rebound difference between the 2. 1 REBOUND! MO TAYLOR'S LAZY BECAUSE HE GRABS 1 LESS REBOUND THAN KENNY THOMAS!

    KT does play better defense though, I will agree with that, but this rebounding crap is dumb...
     
  18. Junkyard Dog

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    I don't know where all this Mo hating came from Mo T is a solid player our team is an above average team (when healthy). Just imagine a whole season where you could have Kenny Thomas and Eddie Griffin coming off the bench because you have a starting line-up of Stevie, Cuttino, Glen Rice, Mo T, and Cato. I mean to have players like that coming off the bench...not to disclude Moochie, or Walt...we would have a good team. Please believe me, if all of our players were healthy this season we would have easily made it into the playoffs.

    Enough about Mo T, Kenny T has stepped it up big time this season and does diserve a shot at the most improved player award.

    -Junkyard Dog
     
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    Mo averaged 1 less rebound playing along side Hakeem, who took at least one rebound a game average away from Mo. Mo didn't need to rebound more at that point.

    Kenny Thomas should be trade bait with Walt and a pick for a major center or a high draft pick.
     
  20. verse

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    DaDakota,

    you don't think magic johnson blazed, growing up in flint, michigan? was he disrespecting the sport? how bout wilt chamberlain? doctor j?

    c'mon, now. most pro athletes get twisted. it's just a matter of who gets caught. drink ZYDOT!!!
     

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