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Kennedy to retire - USSC will swing even further right

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by NewRoxFan, Jun 27, 2018.

  1. Nook

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    The short answer is yes, there is are a lot of people in the GOP right now that believe that they will be in power forever. They believe that the American people are behind them and support what they are doing. You can call it hubris if you like. What I can tell you is that they are going to make the law and rules as hard as possible for the Democrats to get power from them.

    First, you have a situation where senators are based not on population, but statehood, and that favors the Republicans. Second the Electoral College favors the Republicans as well. The Democrats can win the popular vote and even have more nationwide supporters, but it does not matter when 2,000,000 votes in California mean the same as 200,000 in North Dakota. You couple that with gerrymandering and you have the current situation.

    Having said that, nothing is forever in American politics. The Democrats will eventually control the government and there will be those on the left that feel it will last forever. It is the nature of the beast.

    If people really get that upset with the GOP, they can show up and vote them out. As it is, Republican voters are older and more dependable to show up at the polls........ the Democrats need to get out the vote. Get hispanics, the poor, the young and women out to the polls and then they can control the destiny of the country,
     
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    Yup tax cuts where 81% of the benefits go to the top 1%. Those guys desperately need a tax cut.

    Yet we still have a country were 66% of Americans live pay check to pay check and don't even have enough in their savings account for one major emergency situation.
     
  3. Supermac34

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    There is a concept in Trademark law. The concept is that one of the few ways to lose a trademark is to not defend it. Basically, if you own a trademark, but let everybody infringe upon it for a longtime, you can't just then sue later...your trademark has become indefensible and you've lost it. That is why you get stories every once in a while that a "big bad" corporation sues someone seemingly out of the blue to protect a trademark. The corporate didn't sue them because they wanted to, the corporation sued them because they HAD to. Examples include Disney suing a small time children's learning center in Orlando for having Disney characters painted on the wall. Disney employees had found out...so they HAD to sue to protect the trademark. Texas A&M HAD to sue the Seahawks over the 12th man thing a couple of years ago. They settled for some paltry amount of money, not because A&M wanted the money, but because they own the trademark and successfully defended it. The Seahawks now use the trademark with full permission, but do not OWN the trademark.

    It is a similar case with Brett Kavenaugh. The Democrats pulled out such an underhanded and morally reprehensible scheme to try to delay or block the appointment, the Republicans HAD to make sure his appointment went through. If they let false allegations from 4 decades ago, beer drinking from college, and other blatantly false allegations from people that have been disprove even CHANGE the nominee, it would set a precedent that would be unfathomable in the politics of the US. Trump didn't change the nominee because he didn't want to, he didn't change the nominee because he COULDN'T. His hand was forced. Stand up to these tactics now, or have all these types of appointments susceptible to these types of attacks (from both sides) in the future.

    I can see why liberals or Democrats would be mad that Obama's last nomination didn't get confirmed. The difference is that Republicans used actual political rules and procedure to block the nomination...something they might have had to eat in the future...take your own medicine...we'll just not vote on your nomination Trump...(if they had the Senate). The problem is that Dems chose to attack a person's character, family, reputation, and life OUTSIDE of procedure and rules. Basically: we get to say whatever we want to, and some will stick and ruin someone's life. That is what the GOP HAD to fight against. That's why BK is going to be confirmed.
     
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    Lol those are all totally unrelated!

    “Bubba”?

    Take a break and gather yourself, my friend.
     
  5. JayGoogle

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    The problem that the GOP will find is that at least half of the country vehemently disagrees with them. The Democrats can take back the house in November, that will be a check on their power and the Democrats can go and build from there.

    We still have the power to vote, as long as we have that we can kick these people out of power.

    The democrats held all the power not even that long ago, got prideful, and I think this is what's going on with the GOP right now. 2018-2020 are the years that the Democrats can take power back and hopefully send the country on the right path back to compromise and moderation...the first step to that is getting other countries out of our business.

    Oh, I don't doubt it, but the more they do these things the more radical the consequences will be.

    Also, if the Democrats do get power again I don't think they concede any ground. Obama was about as moderate liberal a president they were going to get and we saw how the GOP treated him, so why should they?
     
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    The FBI report that may as well be locked away in the basement of the Pentagon.

    You should check the public opinion on Kavanaugh.

    He'll also be going through with probably the fewest votes so congrats on that.

    He's not a popular judge, I think it's a huge mistake to force him through and it would have made your party look like the adults to either give a full vetting of Kavanaugh or pulled the nomination entirely and put up someone else.
     
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    public opinion? every poll says this is firing up the GOP base and hurting dems in the polls.

    you keep using words like 'force'. this was voted on in the normal process. nothing forced. nothing shoved. just the opposite.
     
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    Dumbasses
     
  9. JayGoogle

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    Of course it fires up the GOP base. That's not really saying anything, what is it doing with independents and moderates and the country in general?

    https://www.npr.org/2018/10/03/6540...ord-than-kavanaugh-a-cultural-shift-from-1991
    "Where there is a difference by gender is among independents. Independent men are split 39 percent to 35 percent, siding slightly more with Ford, while a solid majority of women believe Ford, 56 percent to 24 percent."
     
  10. Granville

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    Good kicked evil’s ass today.

    This was all set in motion with the Dems nominating an extremely unlikeable candidate.

    Nominating Hillary was just like this underhanded act the Dems tried with Kavanaugh. You can’t trot out **** and get upset when people tell you it stinks.
     
  11. Nook

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    What odd little world do you live in?

    Good kicked evil's ass? That makes as much sense as someone saying your life is hard because you deserve it.

    Also, you can bag on Clinton all you want, but if she is ****.... then what does it say that Trump got fewer votes than Clinton?

    You live in a fantasy world for those with a low IQ.
     
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    The key is whether or not the independents will show up and vote.

    The Republicans know that they do not represent the majority of Americans, but they also know that it comes down to who shows up at the ballot box and the Republicans show up.

    Time will tell.
     
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    I agree with your analogy in principle, however in practicality, its BS. I haven't been calling for BK head for this very reason. There are indeed better choices than BK. When the Democrats controlled Washington 8 years ago, they had no interest in bi-partisan support. 8 years later, they are paying the price. And now that the Republicans are doing the same exact thing, they too will pay the price in a few years when they completely lose Washington.

    However the Republicans and especially Trump, do not give a **** about about precedent. Both parties happily will take a small victory today in spite of a total loss tomorrow.
     
  14. Granville

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    You live in a world where your legal education gets wasted by your inability to process facts. You should know damn well that Ford’s story is an unverifiable mess only brought about to slander Kavanaugh and rile up the Dem sheep. Yeah it’s evil that the Dems used Ford to slander Kavanaugh.

    I’m bagging on your party for nominating her. She lost and that’s what put your party in the position they are with the Supreme Court. Evil includes the straight up harrsssment of public officials including releasing personal information that could put them in harm.

    Once again you’re in the loss column in a debate.

    FTR. My life isn’t hard. I’ve rolled with the punches and carved out a good place for my family and others. I have the most diverse and loyal friends now than I ever have.
     
  15. SamFisher

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    You can't get people out to vote when virtual Jim Crow laws are being passed all over the country and rapey Bret and his 4 bros are laughing all the way to the bank to buy more primo nationals tickets after rubberstamping them.

    Turn out to vote is not a remedy for when your vote is forcibly stolen.

    It's like telling Merrick Garland he should just have been more patient.
     
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    Only a matter when, not if, a GOP politician is assassinated during Trump's presidency. Especially if Ginsburg or Breyer leave.

    We've already seen attempts on Scalise and Mattis. Personal info of GOP reps and their families getting published.

    Dem politicians encouraging people to get in the faces of GOP reps and harass them in public (getting in someone's face is an act of violence, despite what they'd like you to believe).

    Media encouraging/promoting it.

     
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    - university of Phoenix JD, LLM

    Thanks dude.
     
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    This is, unironically, Hillary's fault.
     
  19. Commodore

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    I know it shook a lame duck beta male like Flake, but is this behavior politically effective in general? It seems annoying as hell, regardless of the substance.

    And it's not like any of those people are from West Virginia, why would he gaf.

     
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    Definitely. I can say that I think a lot of them will vote, but I guess we will see, no one knows who is actually going to turn out and vote.

    I just wanted to point out that most people are not happy with what happened. We'll see if they are unhappy enough to make their voices heard through voting or if they are going to wait and see how Kavanaugh and this new SCOTUS rules.
     

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