[Ken Berger Trade Talk Blog Post] Rockets among teams interested in getting Haywood

No, I dont think we will. Rockets appear to be pushing for a trade for KMart23. Not sure if that will happen either.

 

I kind of don't care about trades with washington, id rather let tracys contract expire then
To jus be getting rentals or anything

 

This will not win us a championship.

 

we're not winning anything this year anyway..

 

How would he be a rental when u have his bird rights this offseason? I would only do a Caron Butler trade if Haywood were included. With an career injury plagued center in Yao, its paramount the rockets aquire a serviceable center who can block shots and rebound. Yao will probably not be able to play big minutes the rest of his career.

 

Agree, Haywood is the proven player.

 

This will not win us a championship any year.

 

So then what will?

 

Why will Haywood resgin with the rockets to backup Yao next season?

 

Forget Haywood- if we re-sign him at a decent price, great...he's a good backup Center and a piece of the puzzle. If not, he's off the books after this year.

But a productive, expiring contract of Caron Butler next year could be a useful tool to help build a champion. He could be packaged to bring in a player that could actually help us win a championship, or if we can re-sign him at a decent price it opens up Battier and Ariza to be traded.

There is nobody in free agency this year that we'll be able to afford with the amount of space we have that is better than Butler. Likewise, we probably won't be able to find a backup center as good as Haywood (if we can afford to re-sign him). These two guys are potential ASSETS, and building assets will help you win a championship.

 

Haahaa, they are stockpilling for 2012-2013 and are budget spending, trying to win and collect funds, and have assets at bay. they are after guys like Durant and will wait and not spend, especially in this economy. Ticket sales go down, when economy picks back up they'll be ready for max sale out compacity crouds. No way our economy recovers though. At some point, you have to seriously look into those kinds of option, knowing the best players in the league will be through drafts after LeBron, Wade, Kobe retires - Yao same, guys with new teams, new contracts - etc... That is the only way to look at it. Stockpile now and be patient and be ready by 2012-2013, ofcourse they'll be making move after move if it presents itself, but always be after plugging holes and landing/buying picks and budget spending.

 

so tell me what the winning lottery numbers are this week, since you seem to know the future...


You dont know who else we'll acquire as tmac's replacement, you dont even know if we'll do it this month or in the summer. you also dont know what core players we'll retain this summer or include in a trade...dont know who we'll sign with our 5 mill this summer...we're not talking about a scrub here, haywood is a VERY solid back up center and he alone won't be the reason we win or l ose a ring, he's a piece of a much bigger puzzle, wait for the puzzle to be finished.

 

Both butler and battier are FA next year, so battier wont be available to be traded unless we re-sign him...


but this is a reason why i like the butler acquisition, it's very much like the ron experiment. High reward if it works, low risk if it doesnt. We get a year, healthy more than likely, to see what this team can do, if yao doesnt come back as himself or cracks again, butler doesnt work out, and battier isn't worth it anymore, then all 3 can be gone this summer. that makes us tons younger and allows us to end the "win now" experiment, while still having our young guns right before their prime and cap space to sign another rising star.

butler 10 mill+battier 7 mill+ yao 17 mill all off the books....just in time to resign landry and extend brooks. Opt out of DA's team option and that's almost 3 more mill.. that cuts out our oldest players all in one summer. it's the ultimate flexibility when you're trying to decide whether to stick with your vets or go young.

Scola is the only question mark, he'd be one of our oldest, but we have to wait and see if he stays past this summer or not.

 

I am not knocking this thread nor am I knocking Haywood.


What I am saying is signing players at the caliber of Butler and Haywood, continuing to build around injury prone Yao, adding more role players, etc etc, without adding a bonafide superstar is just not going to cut it with the level of competition out there, especially in the West.


It very well may be the best Morey can do but realistically, it's not good enough.

 

Remember when kobe wanted to be traded because had no help.it took years for the fakers to get this good.

 

All things considered, I think the Rox are better off trading with the Wizards than getting Iggy from the 76ers. Butler has a more affordable contract that expires after next season. Iggy is paid like an elite player and has proven that he cant carry a team any further than T-Mac can. A trade with the Wizards could also net you Haywood, who can provide a legit big body to defend the rim and rebound. Thats something the Rox have needed all season. He could possibly be resigned next season to a reasonable contract.

I'd much rather get Butler/Haywood and whatever filler that comes along than by just letting T-Mac's contract expire.

Just my $2.02 (adjusted for inflation)

 

LOL....Where did you get $2-3M per year? Your figures are not even close. We were prepared to offer Gortat roughly 3/4's of the MLE or something along those lines with the holdup being Morey wanted to retain a portion of the MLE for future roster flexibility (i.e. signing rookies). If you feel as I do that he's a starter in this league, $5-7M per year isn't such a steep asking price after all. The guy can play both frontcourt spots and we have one of our key bigs entering free agency this summer. There's a laundry list of reasons why Gortat makes sense.

...and Haywood is NOT better than Gortat. Haywood has been a marginal starter in this league for years and is just now having his "breakout" season at the age of 30 in a contract year no less. I know he's a decent player and I would take him on this team in a heartbeat, but I don't for one second believe he's better than Gortat. Once Gortat gets a chance to actually play you'll understand why this is the case. It doesn't help when you back up one of the most durable players in the league.

 

Yea, but we don't have a Kobe.

 

I think it's clear that superstars with no help cant get it done, we've been through that, but fans seem to feel as if the only winning formula is superstars +help, but it's not. Although not common, you can win without having that bonafide superstar, like the pistons did. And really there's very few of those supersstars, the kobes, wades, and lebrons. One could argue that the boston trio has those superstars, but that's only through their reputation, in reality, when they won a ring they didnt play like the superstars they use to be. They turned more into super role players, no longer they did score 25+ a game. PP was the only one who even reached 20ppg.

We can have a similar scoring distribution here with yao, brooks and someone like butler or even iggy AND we'd still have solid help in scola, landry, ariza, and haywood. Any of them can average 10-12 pts a game without trying to do too much or stepping out of their comfort zone.

 

The Wizards are trying to move Jamison to Cleveland, and Scola could replace him. Three team trade?