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Keep it up Battier, keep it up!

Discussion in 'NBA Draft' started by gettinbranded, Jun 12, 2001.

  1. SirCharlesFan

    SirCharlesFan Contributing Member

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    Hey, GB, do you actually like Krause or do you just defend him cuz the bulls are your team?

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  2. gettinbranded

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    I think he doesn't get his credit, and that burns me. But if he screws up, I'll light him up just like anyone else.

    Is this a good team now AND into the future?

    Elton Brand
    Tracy McGrady
    Grant Hill or Tim Duncan
    Darius Miles
    Jamal Crawford
    Ron Artest

    Thats what he envisioned as a post-championship team, and he put his team in position to get it. The things OUT of his control (FA's and ping pong balls) are what screwed it up for him. I don't hold him responsible for what was out of his control. I'm just waiting to see what his next move is.

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  3. rimbaud

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    Speaking as someone who probably hears more about Brown (because I live in Atlanta), he will settle in as a 4.

    Tim Duncan can guard all three forwards (his rookie year, he even guarded guards) but he is really a 4, er, 5 when Robinson retires.

    Brown and Miles are no way near comparable. Brown has stated he wants to get bigger, bulk up, she he can bang down low with the big boys. He is not even as skinny as Garnett and he is a 4, despite wanting to be a 3.

    So, drafting Kwame to be a 3 would be futile.

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    I have no other
    ransom money, nothing to break or barter but my life
    my spirit measured out, in bits, spread over
    the roulette table, I recoup what I can
    nothing else to shove under the nose of the maître de jeu
    nothing to thrust out the window, no white flag
    this flesh all I have to offer, to make the play with
    this immediate head, what it comes up with, my move
    as we slither over this go board, stepping always
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  4. gettinbranded

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    Nobody ever called Garnett or Webber the worlds biggest guard---and Garnett could adapt around to playing three if he had someone like Webber on his team. A traditional 3? No...but he could.

    The Bulls may be the ones to sweeten Atlanta's pot. If they are so keen on Battier, they'd probably think about what Krause did with Fizer last year and go on and pick the player they really want rather than taking a chance.

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  5. gettinbranded

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    Number 1: Krause didn't gut the team. He and Reinsdorf stood with arms wide open waiting for the players to come back. The rift was between Krause and Phil Jackson. Phil was the one responsible for the break-up because he wanted to leave. Jordan didn't want to play for another coach (oh...but look at him now) and he left. Krause looked at what was left, and thought the above posted team I mentioned was a better vision for the future so he went there.

    We still almost T-Mac---but you're right. The new CBA and the wrinkles it introduced (that he couldn't outbid the team a player came from) were the one thing Krause didn't foresee. Nor did anyone foresee Orlando winning 41 games and still having money enough for two full-boat FA's. If Duncan had gone to Orlando we would have had T-Mac...and then maybe Jones or Tim Thomas. Close...so close.

    Those were things mostly out of his control. I'm loyal to the team---he had a good plan, it didn't work out, so I'm interested in what his next one is. If it's bad, I'll slam him then.


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  6. rimbaud

    rimbaud Contributing Member

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    Nobody ever called Garnett or Webber the worlds biggest guard

    Actually, Garnett was described similarly. As was Ralph Sampson.

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    I have just realized that the stakes are myself
    I have no other
    ransom money, nothing to break or barter but my life
    my spirit measured out, in bits, spread over
    the roulette table, I recoup what I can
    nothing else to shove under the nose of the maître de jeu
    nothing to thrust out the window, no white flag
    this flesh all I have to offer, to make the play with
    this immediate head, what it comes up with, my move
    as we slither over this go board, stepping always
    (we hope) between the lines
     
  7. Prempeh

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    GB,

    While some of those free agents last year did have certain ties to where they ended up, you can't completely deny that Krause's reputation and his actions (or lack thereof) after the run of championships were a factor in Chicago being less attractive to FA's. His ego is, amazingly enough, bigger than that ring of fat under his neck. He could have brought everybody back but his ego would not bend in order to sign Pippen or Phil for the long term.

    One of the most disgusting GM moves I've ever seen was when Krause traded away Jason Caffey, who was having a very good season, to the Warriors for perennial scrub Dickie Simpkins. The only reason he did this was to clear more playing time for Kukoc, who was HIS guy, since Caffey started eating away at Kukoc's minutes, which should have been Phil's call.



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  8. gettinbranded

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    Yes, I can. I have, and I shall continue to. Point me to a direct quote, or something similer, and I'll believe it. Until then, I only have the players words...


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    Brown has drawn heaps of criticism in recent months for his tendency to drift toward the perimeter; the phrase "world's biggest guard" has been used to describe him.

    "I think I'm more effective facing the basket, that's my strong point," he says. "But a lot of coaches, especially older coaches, think tall guys should play with their backs to the basket. I think I'm stronger facing the basket, because I can see guys, I can pass the ball, and I handle it pretty good."

    Brown developed his outside game, interestingly enough, for defensive reasons. While many ball-handling centers played guard before a sudden growth spurt, Brown has been a tree his entire life. "Always playing against small guys, you had to learn to handle it, or they would just take it from you," he says.

    Indeed, Brown looks like a natural putting the ball on the floor, and he has nice form and a soft touch on his jumper. Because he is so capable, he doesn't plan to give up his walkabouts any time soon. "I prefer playing outside, but once I establish my inside game it shouldn't be a problem to do both," he says.


    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/college/recruiting/news/2000/07/10/brown_feature/



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  10. rimbaud

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    Webber is a "face the basket" 4, as is Mo Taylor. Both can do back-to-basket, but are best facing. Rasheed Wallace, Kevin Garnett...who else?

    Anyway, I am aware of what Kwame said, I am also aware that he says he is not in shape right now to be a factor down low, that he will start working on it. He might be a 3 at first, but will eventually settle in to the 4, just like Garnett.

    Of course, I do not think he will be around for the Bulls to draft, anyway. I think the Clips grab him. If he slips to #3, whoever makes a deal with Atlanta will take him.

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    I have just realized that the stakes are myself
    I have no other
    ransom money, nothing to break or barter but my life
    my spirit measured out, in bits, spread over
    the roulette table, I recoup what I can
    nothing else to shove under the nose of the maître de jeu
    nothing to thrust out the window, no white flag
    this flesh all I have to offer, to make the play with
    this immediate head, what it comes up with, my move
    as we slither over this go board, stepping always
    (we hope) between the lines
     
  11. tacoma park legend

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    Thank you Rimbaud for clearing up that Kwame is not a 3, and never will be a 3.

    As far as the Bulls go, GB, how can you defend a guy that completely gutted your team? He put your team in a bad position because big time free agents aren't going to go to a team with less than 20 wins. If he had kept them even slightly competitive(30-40 wins) I think you would have been able to land a big free agent.

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