i have a question for THE CAT, and/or others? If Rad does fall to #13, and we obviously take a big man at #18, then what about Morris at #23. Everybody seems to think that no way, the Rockets keep all three picks, but how do they take Morris? If they trade #13 and #18 to get to #9 for Joe Johson (or Gasol,etc...) and then at #23 there are a few bright centers, what do they do? I know Morris could be a sleeper, but if we get a dynamic SF at #9 and center at #18, what do they do? ------------------
barbourdg: If the Rockets draft Radmanovic, Morris is worse than redundant at #23. We'd have Williams, Langhi, Radmanovic, Morris, perhaps Bullard and Anderson... quite a few SF's . ------------------ Newbiehad... coming to a bbs near you, October 31st.
In that scenario, you draft the best center available at 23, likely Dalembert, Jones, or Johnson. The worst thing that could happen would be if the Rockets pick Bradley or Murphy, two players who would serve no purpose on this team. ------------------
That was my thought too, I just know that everybody is on the Morris bandwagon (on this board). I wish the Rockets could pick up a 2nd round pick, so Morris can prove himself in Training Camp. I just dont see Morris being taken, if we get a SF at #13. Perhaps if Diop drops to #13, and we pick up Jefferson at #18, they will take Morris at #23. Most of the mocks are showing that Jefferson could be available (for a steal) at #18. ------------------
So NIKE, Do you want to explain why you agree with my capology here, yet you claim how picks have no $$$ effects on the trades you mentioned in the bskBALL rumor thread.
HeyPee - Gasol already has a non-NBA contract with F.C. Barcelona. If the non-NBA contract is truly the key for not counting against the 2001-2002 cap, it appears that (without a buyout) Gasol has already met the criteria. ------------------ GATER
GATER, Do you see "whichever is later" in that quote of mine? No draft pick can be taken off your team's salary earlier than the beginning of Regular Season, regardless of whether they have a non-NBA contract. Do you see?
HP - Not only can I see, I can read, too. From Larry Coon's FAQ's: 36. What if the team and player can't agree to a contract? What options does the player have? The player has several options. If he has not hired an agent and has not exhausted his college eligibility, he may return to school and play. Or, he may play in another professional league (such as in Europe). In either of these cases, the team that drafted him maintains his rights, and the player does not count against the team's team salary. (End of quote). In the FAQ's, the actual rookie scale is stated as +/- 20%. If the Rocks offer Gasol 80% of scale and he does not agree, then he is off the books cap wise if he plays in Europe. If he agrees to the 80% contract, his cost is 80% of $1,149,500 or $919,600. It might be worth the investment. ------------------ GATER
GATER I am not trying to be snippy here. Coon did not explain the "whichever is later" part. I have the full CBA text now from the Union, but it is encrypted making it a pain in the ass to copy and paste...actually it is impossible. You have to retype it. Coon is not clear here. I will direct him to this section. Until he clarifies the "whichever is later", I'm saying the FAQ is misleading. Here is the clause from the section of the CBA regarding calculating team salary. Coon's FAQ is misleading on this point. It is my interpretation of this clause that all draft picks (regardless of non-NBA contract status) count towards Team Salary during the off-season.
Note that my interpretation eliminates a salary cap loophole whereby NBA teams do not buyout non-NBA contracts until the use their cap space. That is cheating the salary cap, and the purpose of the "whichever is later" part, in my interpretation. Note something about the FAQ. If you have ever written one, or any technical documentation (or even a cc.net summer bet), you know that too much detail causes more questions rather than eliminates them, which is the purpose of a FAQ. Coon most likely sees no reason to mention the long version of the clause because it rarely matters. But with Gasol, it does matter somewhat to the select few teams who have cap room and can select him. Those are rare instances, and I can see why Coon would not include the full text.
Let me preempt this by saying I read only the first and last post in the thread. T.B.S. Radman's agent wants him to go 13th (lottery=mo money) not to the Rocket's... rest assurred. I think 13 is too high for him. (Gasol on the other hand I wouldn't mind trading up for) If Radman really wants to be a Rocket I say we give him a look at 23. ------------------
SSG, The majority of general managers and front office people seriously doubt Radman is available at 13. There's a very good chance he could go at 8 to Cleveland, 9 to Detroit, 10 to Boston, or 12 to Seattle. There's almost no chance whatsoever he drops to 18, much less 23. ------------------ The Mo Taylor Fan Site "Basketball players win basketball games. Athletes win track meets."-- Shane Battier Draftsource.net-- the premier source for draft info. Profiles, rankings, mock drafts, and more! Cat's Mock Draft
I a recent BBS conversation with Larry, he clarifies his FAQ to say Gasol is definitely a cap it as the CBA clause quoted above indicates. As GATER points out, the CBA FAQ #36 indeed makes it sound like Gasol is not a cap hit. He is until the Regular Season begins. Coon looks for simplicity in his answers, and might not even make this clarification even now that Gasol is causing such questions. It is somewhat like making clarifications to a simple Summer bet...lol! It needlessly complicates things. It is great for conciseness, initial learning curve, and as a solid interpretation for steering one to the right answer, but quoting it verbatim has confused me more than reading the real text is now. It is because he must leave a lot of complexities out of it, often making his simplicity misleading. [This message has been edited by heypartner (edited June 26, 2001).]
In that case I hope the Rocket's aren't interested; mind you I've never seen either of the play but I think Gasol will be better from what I hear. And it would not surprise me if "Radman" slips come draft day. Cat I respect you and doubt that you would have to be told that a lot of teams are faking interest in players hoping the player they really want falls to them. ------------------
SSG, I'm very well aware that teams fake interest in players. However, you also must consider that perhaps some teams are faking interest in others to get a look at Radmanovic. Everywhere's he's gone he's had spectacular workouts-- even Clutch and Doc Rocket confirmed that. You could definitely be right, but to me he fits the type of guy that can be a late riser, much like Jamal Crawford last year. Crawford started out as a late first round pick, had a great camp at Chicago and some good individual workouts, and was selected at 7 on draft day. Unless there are a lot of smokescreens, I wouldn't be surprised to see him go in the top 10, because Cleveland, Boston, and Detroit are all said to have some interest. Of course, you can take that to mean different things... ------------------ The Mo Taylor Fan Site "Basketball players win basketball games. Athletes win track meets."-- Shane Battier Draftsource.net-- the premier source for draft info. Profiles, rankings, mock drafts, and more! Cat's Mock Draft
Summersonggiver: You also need to realize that nobody had ever seen Radmanovic play against NBA caliber talent before. He did in workouts... and he shocked everyone by outplaying them. ------------------ Newbiehad... coming to a bbs near you, October 31st.
