Kasich: Prominent Congressman to come out for Biden tomorrow

Everyone here agrees voting for Biden is the most effective way to get Trump out of office. Not a single person here says they aren't voting for Biden. Glynch voted for Hillary also.

 

What does voting for Biden have anything to do with what I have been posting?

 

Reagan started the knee jerk reaction of "govt bad" regardless of context. A lot of revisionist history with Reagan. Dude started the trend of unuanced GOP candidates in terms of policy (except Bush Sr) riding on charisma, red scare tactics and race dog whistles.

 

It's funny cause I never watch Morning Joe but happened to catch that segment. I found it very very eye opening not really for the part you are mentioning, but for the part before when Joe S. started talking about how great Reagan was and what he would have thought about Trump and basically laying the groundwork for the Two Santa Claus approach that they next version of the Republican party will roll out.

The TRUTH is that Reagan absolutely blew up the national debt in order to give tax cuts to wealthy billionaires and then trapped Bill Clinton into being baited into dealing with the debt THAT REAGAN started which led to Clinton "ending welfare as we know it" etc. etc. and having one of the least historically popular presidencies that aged very poorly and led to Bush having a chance at winning against Gore who ran away from Clinton during his election.

All this to say that the even the "Never Trumper" Republicans like Joe S., George Will, and John Kasich are not to be trusted as anything really that fundamentally different that Trump other than they are smarter, and care much more about the signage on the wall that says "America is a Democracy" so they have more credibility on the global stage, and aren't relegated to being viewed as autocratic thugs like Trump is now that he's lumped himself in with Orban, Erdogan, and Putin.

If temporarily aligning with Kasich, George Will, etc. helps get Trump out of office then great. I'm all for it, but nobody.... not one person here should trust these Republicans as far as you can throw George Conway.

These guys all work for the same billionaires that fund Trump to this very day.

 

Figure it out.

 

Reagan is one of the worst presidents in American history.

 

Wanted to respond to this particularly. Yes Republicans are getting their court picks and stalling legislation. That's what happens when you win the Senate and why I say the Senate might be as important as winning the Presidency. It's also why I say it's important to win at all levels. It's certainly a valid criticism of the Republicans to say that people like Lindsey Graham have sold out their principles but the proof is in how powerful the Republicans are in controlling Congress and in Presidency. They might very well hate Trump but they understand this is about power.

On health care the Democrats did get a health care plan passed. It was certainly far from perfect but something the Democrats hadn't been able to do since LBJ. It wasn't a matter of moderates or progressives browbeating one side or the other but a long painstaking compromise to finally get something that is rightfully described as "a big f^(&ing deal" done. For all of it's flaws it's proven to be popular and one reason why the Republicans fail several times to repeal it.

On impeachment, yes as long as the GOP controlled the Senate there was no chance. That doesn't mean it wasn't the right thing to do and will point out that Pelosi was very cautious about it but it was the progressives who pushed it especially since many first time Reps such as AOC campaigned on it.

 

Democrats have become the de facto center-right party since Republicans have abandoned that position in favor of Trump’s alt right fascism.

“What Would Romney Do?” is what these corporate Democrats think will win the election.

Truly sad state of affairs. This country needs a real left wing party to fight the other two right wing parties.

 

He increased the national debt more than every other president before him COMBINED. He laid the groundwork for Citizens united, and single handily INJECTED money into politics. The greatest increases that the middle class had was between FDR and Carter. Ever since Reagan the middle class has continued to decline and decline.

For the next generation of Politicians on both sides to be successful at speaking to the electorate, the next version of the Republican party should be smart enough to realize how toxic Reaganism is and the Democrats should be smart enough to realize how weak Clintonism is for the parties response to Reaganism.

I think the Republican party would be a very hard party to beat if they were Conservative fiscally but aligned their priorities more towards the middle class, and learned that instead of cutting social programs, you cut the military budget and give tax breaks to the middle class. That's the Conservative party that would be very hard to beat moving forward.

For the Democratic Party, the smart approach to growing their electorate would be to get back to their FDR roots but speak more towards technology infrastructure. This should be branded as the party for smart people that want to invest in the middle class and infrastructure to build a better world like the New Deal for 2030.

If both parties just recycle Reaganism & Clintonism respectively, we are doomed to get yet another Trump and this time he wont be nearly as stupid, and will be successful in completely dismantling Democracy moving forward.

 

The biggest fear I have with a Biden adminstration is complacency where a bunch of upper middle class suburban Democrats are like "well things are back to normal, what reform?". This country in terms of socioeconomic metrics, wealth inequality, healthcare metrics were lagging behind most modern developed countries before Trump.

We need to always remember Trump is a symptom of aggravated Americans. Aggravated common citizens are more prone to listening to extremist rhetoric.

 

Probably the most important point here. People who are "exited" for Biden need to understand that Trump was merely a symptom of aggravated Americans being squeezed financially for the past few decades(80% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck).

I'm only viewing Biden's presidency as a stop gap.

 

The people advising Biden & Harris are not that dumb. The person to his right at every step is Simone Sanders who worked for Bernie Sanders. Kamala's camp also had alot of crossover from Elizabeth Warren's team.

Now I will say that the wall street Dem major donors are this stupid, but they are losing more and more power in the party now that Bernie has really revolutionized political campaign funding.

We will see what type of policies Biden has once he gets into office but his campaign platform thus far is anything but "What Would Romney Do." His climate infrastructure plan is basically a repackaged Green New Deal.

That being said I don't really approve of the optics of Kasich being given more time on stage than AOC who is on course to be the most powerful House member in a Biden Admin. The progressive caucus will have the same type of power that the Freedom Caucus has had with the Trump admin when they put together policy during the first couple years of the Trump admin.

So no I don't think "What would Romney Do" is fair to this point. If Biden gets into office and pulls a Bill Clinton, then yes you have the right to be this critical.

Now CNN and MSNBC..... YES 100% they are representative of "What Would Romney Do" because they are corporate run and their goal is to make money by propping up a government that rewards corporations and tax cuts, but still has all the diversity it needs to attract large audiences to consume their products. However CNN and MSNBC are NOT the Democratic Party, and do the party no favors. Please be mindful of that.

 

100%, and everyone knows it which is why it's actually a pretty important admin. Important to know that everyone will want a piece of Biden if he wins the election. Corporations and their CEO's will jump on top of him, and he'll have all the pressure in the world to basically be pulled one way or another. He could easily become another Clinton without the right people surrounding him that can influence and stabilize their priorities.

I think public pressure in the campaign MUST be put on the Biden camp to have people like AOC, Liz Warren, etc. kept at the table during this process, and I think pressure now should be applied to go ahead, and announce his cabinet now when there can be pressure to add progressives in the mix.

If Biden gets this wrong, then we are really screwed because it'll just lead to a Tom Cotton or someone else who is basically a smarter Trump coming in and ending what he started.

 

Smarter? How could you play their side smart. Trump had a Q factor I don't think anybody else could ever match.

 

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thanks for the responses. Always nice to have an actual conversation.

For now , all I wanna say is that politics is truly deranging stuff . I feel like the first time I really felt like a candidate was speaking to me was watching YouTube clips of ron paul ... and then Yang in dem primary .

so I’m Fairly new to this game . I wanted Kerry to win . I wanted Obama to win . I wanted Hillary to win . But , Kerry and Barry O (first time) was more because my parents were democrats . I wasn’t really invested .

So , my team got whipped and it feels bad man haha . But worse than that , the game is just infuriating from an outside perspective.
I probably need to adjust my patience levels.

It’s so easy to find flaws with everyone and everything elevate it to disaster panic .

More than anything it’s the uncertainty. What we need more than ever (imo ) is a leader that has the best perspective.To put it lightly Trump obviously has a very active imagination.. so no go on that one . But what is Biden’s ? Where are the democrats going to lead us ? What is our path out of this **** situation . I know biden has plans on his website . But for me , I want to hear him put everything in perspective.

85-90 percent of the rhetoric on both sides is “other team bad” .

At the end of the day this is team sports . It’s the finals , even tho my team didn’t advance stakes are such that I’m gonna vote for one . But just like I love to critique MDA and the players when I don’t think things are up to par, I’ll say when I think the Dems aren’t doing things right . But , I’m rooting for the win and I’ll eat my crow if things turn out well.

 

So where in that did I mention one time about voting for Biden?

I have made a pointedly clear what and who my issue is with stop trying to shoe horn in something else.

 

Never stop asking questions and keep pushing for the direction you want nothing wrong with that and its why the progressive have a large part to play in the direction of this country.

With that said republicans are not automatically evil and to get anything accomplished there will have to be some compromise.

 

Regarding Reagan I agree he did a lot of stuff such as start the trend of reckless spending while cutting revenue and he also followed the Lee Atwater playbook in terms of the Southern Strategy and welfare queens. His legacy though isn't nearly as cut and dried. He's not the god that Right wants to make him out to be but he's not the devil either. He also was the President that bailed out the auto industry. The 1986 budget and Tax act actually raised taxes as was willing to work with Tip O'Neil and the Democratic Congress. Finally he not only talked about how important immigrants were in his farewell speech he was the last President to have an amnesty..

What is very ironic is that Reagan most likely couldn't make it through the Republican primaries today.

What people like Scaraborough, Will, Applebaum and Frum are talking about certainly isn't Reagan as a Progressive. The obviously wouldn't win over Sanders or AOC. What they are talking about is a view of the US not as a American Carnage as Trump says but the Shining City on the Hill. They are talking about a Republican party and Conservative movement that doesn't idolize the Viktor Orbons of the World and retreat into a fearful inward looking country.

 

The country isnt progressive let alone socialist in its political values. I don't want to argue about if in reality it is because we love social programs, in its beliefs it isn't.

Every freakin election is a fight for the people on the fence for real. Over 90% are voting the same every election, the win/lose battle is for the few who dont always vote the same and progressive ideas aren't going to win that group. Ironically 2016 was the year it could have.

On a national level Democrats wanna market themselves as the middle and label Republicans as extremists. They should focus on the declining middle class but shouldn't focus on overly progressive ways to fix it

This is a capitalist country. People wanna believe they can get rich and not be "punished" for being rich.