Kasich: Prominent Congressman to come out for Biden tomorrow

I would be very suprised if it's Paul Ryan but those two other names seem right. I wonder if it might also be Lamar Alexander who has known Biden for a long time and while he didn't vote for removal he did say that the Democratic House Managers overwhelmingly proved their case against Trump.

While Mitt Romney did vote for removal I don't see him speaking at the DNC. He's still a Republican to the core and while he understood it was his place to cast a vote on removal from office I don't think he wants to go out of his way and speak or campaign against the party.

 

I can only recall two posters here who said they supported Bernie that have said they will not vote for Biden. Corrosian (who actually might be a troll) and Peleincubus who days later I think said he's just venting and will vote for Biden.

Glynch is very passionate and loyal to Bernie but I don't believe he's said explicitly that he won't vote for Biden.

However back in 2016 I know ALOT of Bernie supporters who sat out the election who I don't think are sitting it out this time.

I think there is a sliver of hope this time that if Biden wins, AOC has a very good chance of being one of the most influential members of Congress.

I think the best thing to do is to listen to Bernie supporters, and highlight things like AOC's power in Congress with a Biden admin vs Trump admin, and the Supreme Court. Who do Bernie supporters want picking the next Supreme Court Justice? Biden who has openly said he'd like to nominate a black woman or Trump who puts drunken frat boy sexual predators who are bought off by billionaires on the high court?

 

I’m a bit mixed on the recent discussion about the progressive/ moderate wings of the Democratic Party .

My heart is with @glynch . But , I am obviously not going to vote for trump. Biden is by far the lesser of two evils , even though I DO feel like the Dems came together to screw their progressive faction .

I don’t know what will happen with the future of politics or political parties , but big change is coming quickly . (At least I think) . We might all be so happy to not have DT in the oval that we collectively stop caring as much about policy and actually getting it right .

the best way to get progressive isn’t through the president tho . Yang lost in the primary so what has he been doing ? He’s been propping up and coordinating congressional runs who support his platform . That’s how you do it .

the president signs bills . He can be the leader of the party , but democrats have always been less likely to fall in line with party leadership than republicans (at least in my lifetime)

I think biden will be overwhelmingly focused on COVID and the economy . Any progressive agenda will have to focus on those two issues or take a backseat .

Given how awful trump is , everyone not voting for him should feel excited to vote for biden ... but we’ve seen that’s not the case . Imo that reflects the uncertainty about where biden actually stands and frankly where the Dems stand . It does feel like there are 2 different Democratic parties . The language sanders uses to boost biden isn’t “hey look what joe and I agreed to compromise on” it’s “we must come together to defeat trump”

At the end of the day it comes down to trust . I don’t have any . I’m pissed at the state our country and democracy is in . Trump is a main factor in this (no ****ing duh) , but Dems helped get him there , were ineffective in removing him , and have not been able to stop him from getting what he wants (to a great degree )

It seems that the only time the party grows a backbone is when they go after democrats who are too progressive .

 

"Former"... unfortunately won't make a big difference. Suspect its Jeff Flake, as he has already been critical of trump and to be honest, he won't move the needle much. Probably none of the ex congressmen will move the needle, even boehner or paul ryan. Kassich should have known this and kept it to himself as "non news".

 

Yea, giving it it a bit more thought, I don't think it will be Alexander nor Flake. He said "former member of congress" not "former member of the Senate" (which carries a bit more weight) so I suspect its a former member of the House of Representatives.

 

Will Rogers once said "I don't belong to any political party, I'm a Democrat." There has always been differing views in the party. Again there are deep differences on issues that will need to be fought out between progressives and moderates in the Democratic party but none of that will matter until Trump is out of office.

 

True the parlance generally is "Congress" refers to the House even though the Senate is part of it. Another name might throw out there is Will Hurd. He had recently said he wasn't going to vote for Trump.

 

There were. I was one of them as well.

Oddly, most of the younger people at the time (which I was one, as were you) were against going to war and felt it was a massive waste of time with long term consequences.

 

Just to note it's very likely there will be Democrats given a speaking spot at the RNC. This is standard fare now for campaigns to trot out members or ex members of the rival party.

That said I will take Kasich over Blagojevich ..

 

I for one could care less that now after having no power THEN a Republican chooses to speak out. I'm glad some are speaking out but the truth is where were they when they knew this train was leaving the station early in 2017 when it was clear Trump was going to destroy Democracy any chance he got? Republicans have proven that they were never serious about their values or their platform. It was always about money and power to get more money to their donors. All Republicans and even some Democrats are guilty of selling our Democracy down the river for the sake of greed.

 

Thanks, Comets Win, but it wasn't mainly instinct. NYT and MSNBC (which serve the propagandistic role of supposedly being the most left media that is not crack pot conspiratorial) much less the rest of the establishment press was in on the con. The progressive press was reporting accurately in real time how the Cheney and Bush and Powell were cooking the evidence for wnd. They reported how German intelligence disputed Bush-Cheney phony sources and "defectors" such as "curve ball" etc. They reported how Sadam's son in laws who he had executed after they returned from a brief period of defection had told US intelligence that the wmd had been destroyed. You had the phony Niger uranium and the phony centrifuge tubes etc. . The debunking of these were suppressed in the mainstream press at least for the time necessary. With the NYT as we have seen with the bs about Morales in Bolivia they come clean once the deed has been supported to maintain credibility.

In addition the First Gulf War followed a very similar script. Initially Sadam invaded Kuwait after they slant drilled into Iraq oil and after April Gillepsie practically signalled to Sadam that we would not object. Bush I was hot to get rid of the "Vietnam War Syndrome" and show America was ready for big wars again. However, there was a problem. Americans could give a crap about a Kuwait-Iraq dispute despite an establishment and media push for war and bleating about how much oil Sadam would control. Only when focus groups showed strong support only on the silly claim ; "If Sadam had wmd and was a threat to the American homeland." At the time I read about the focus group and saw its result leading up to the first Gulf War. The wmd caper under Bush-Cheney was a repeat peformance.

 

I have stated several times I will vote for Biden as I voted for Hillary.
A recent CNN Poll shows Trump closing in on Biden-- including in battle ground states. The DP Convention speaking agenda and a mere 60 seconds for AOC is seen as a complete dis of progressives and speaks of their overconfidence.

I am starting to get very afraid of a repeat of 2016.

It will be horrible if the dishonest immoral mf Trump wins again.

That being said the disappointment with milk toast centrists including the charismatic cautious Mr. Obama have contributed to us having Trump.

 

This is the **** I am talking about.

What exactly could have been more effective to remove Trump? What should be done to stop him?
It shows a fundamental lacking of who exactly has power and how they can use it.

Yers dems helped him get there just like progressives did by perpetrating the negative things that Republicans had been saying about Clinton for the previous 30 years and fostering a further splitting of the dem party.

Everybody has a part in Trump being elected but this blaming parts o the party needs to stop, did you really say the only backbone showed is against progressives?

Get over yourself, the democratic party is big tent.

 

Now that was DAMN GOOD!!!!

Straight out of the horses mouth!!!!

T_Man

 

The main thing that Obama contributed to Trumps win was him being black and Trump rode that grievance.

Again why the us vs them?

especially considering you are the one who needs to change hearts and minds?

 

I dont know . Im not a political strategist. But trump and the repubs are getting their court picks, stalling legislation , and impeachment was a failure. Dems couldnt bring themselves together on healthcare when they had a huge majority , and it doesnt seem to me that they are very good at playing defense either.

idk what you mean get over yourself , since i dont see things exactly like you do im just whining ?

maybe they are a big tent compared to the GOP , but most of the country considers themselves independents for a reason.

I do feel that instead of compromising with the other progressive faction of their party , dems have been more likely to move to the center and try to align with "moderate" republicans. Just like with the tea party and the radicalization of the GOP , i think we are going to see that with all the progressive candidates who are challenging Dem incumbents .... and its happening because of this lack of listening to new ideas and the people in power holding onto power.

The pendulum swings and it swings. But youre right , the progressive and moderate wings of the dem party have been fighting ! Figthing ! why ? are progressive truly not willing to compromise or is it that moderate dems have not offered an olive branch ? or they offer the olive branch to the GOP ?

This might be off course, but think about trump and his victory/ coalition. There were no doubt " moderate" republicans who didnt like everything trump was offering , but he was aligned with them on many issues and the biggest pill they had to swallow (at the time) was his character. But , they got many of the policies that they wanted. For progressives, what are they getting out of biden and harris other than NOT TRUMP and the hope that he will listen to them ? **** , are we even gonna get legal weed ? I mean how could you not at this point ?

Like i agree that the choice is clear .. but it feels like dems are relying on the stick not the carrot for their own voters!

as for the clinton thing you said ... when are we supposed to fight ? stop complaining about biden , beat trump first then you can b**** about biden ... but fighting vs hillary in the primary is also a no go because apparently it lead to trump ? Anything negative is a republican talking point ?

 

I just watched a Morning Joe segment with George Will, David Frum and Anne Applebaum, who are all including Joe Scaraborough what can be considered classic Conservatives. They pointed out how the Republican Party and American conservatism has become more European in nature and that it is more about tribalism and grievance than the optimism that Reagan pushed. One thing they said was shocking was how many fans that there are of Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban who has pushed an authoritarian rule based on nationalism and xenophobia. Supporting someone like that would've been unthinkable to American conservatives not that long ago.

 

I think much more is made out of this that Progressives are being suppressed by moderates in Democratic party than it really is. As noted Sanders is getting a speaking spot and AOC for a first time Rep is getting a speaking spot. Sanders himself has said that the Biden campaign is looking more progressive and his own words where that a Biden presidency might be the most progressive since FDR. Biden reached out to the Sanders when it was clear he was going to be the nominee and this was more than just lip service. They have set up task forces between the campaigns to work on addressing issues like health care and climate change.

The line out of the Trump campaign and something that will be repeated a lot next week is that Biden is actually very far Left. Now I agree that is campaign rhetoric and is debatable but this shows how far the relative views of things are.

In terms of when are you supposed to fight well there was the opportunity to fight it out in the Democratic Primaries. There was a very vigorous debate and Sanders did win some states. That said he still got less support this time than he did in 2016. Now that is for a variety of reasons including that there was Warren in the race but that too shows that progressive voices weren't silenced.

 

Sorry about the get over yourself comment uncalled for but you are blaming stuff on people who don't really have the power to do anything.

I always knew impeachment was a dead end because republicans held all the cards so why blame democrats?

Dems are going along with the majority of their voters as it should be right?

Do you you actually know what's in Bidens healthcare plan or climate plan or green deal plan?

Why are those plans not compromises?

What stick are Dems using on progressives?

This kind of rhetoric ticks me off is Harris not a reaching out to progressives? No, why not because it's not your preferred candidate?

What the hell does Hillary have to do with anything she is a footnote on history, Biden is the candidate yet we still are griping about centertrist and progressives not getting enough, why can't we just see what happens and table this fight for 20/24 instead of denigrating moderates and not progressive enoughs.

I have no problem with critics of Hillary or Biden and his record, what I do have issue with is using democratic as a negative and the ******** on of Obama like he was king during his presidency or that just electing Sanders would make it all better.

Let's at least be realistic.