Kasich: Prominent Congressman to come out for Biden tomorrow

FWIW I do think it is the last stand of the moderate/center Democrats at the national level for awhile.

By 2024 existing politicians will do what Harris has been doing (advocating for more progressive policies for political survival) or will be replaced by younger and more progressive candidates.

There was a lot of disappointment by progressives when Sanders did not win the nomination but “it is coming”. The pandemic and all the associated consequences are only going to make the divide in the country stronger and the appeal of progressives more galvanizing.

There are going to be major growing pains and clashes. The voting blocks will change. There will be some Democrats that leave and a certain sect of Republicans that will ultimately join the party.

The 2020 election is going to be extremely close. The media is already shifting towards giving Trump some momentum like they did in 2016 (will they then swing back? Possibly) as right now the resurgence of Trump will be a big story with lots of coverage.

I expect the Democratic National Convention is going to have almost zero positive impact on Biden’s polling numbers but I do expect Trump to get a bump (at least initially) from the Republican National Convention.

Biden just needs to win in 2020 and then the party can have their internal feuds. Right now the old guard doesn’t fully trust the new guard can win a national election... nothing new, the same thing happened to FDR, Kennedy and even Clinton.

 

I know you don't this because it pre-dates your time here but having read his posts for decades now, he is legit. Glynch is one of the few people on this board who was vehemently against the Iraq War. He took all kinds of crap for it here as most of this board was very supportive of the war. He never wavered and he was proven correct in the end. He instinctively knew they were lying to us all. It was one of the more remarkable things I've ever seen here honestly. So I'd like if you took a pause before you unload on him as some reason for Trump. He detests everything Trump is about but I agree with him, bobo Biden is Republican light. Look at his career. If that's centrist then we're screwed. I'd say Biden is a corporatist much in the line of Obama and Clinton. He is not a progressive, certainly not a liberal. Like I said, Republican light. A lot of these positions he's put out recently seem to be different from those he's supported his whole career.

I think we'd all take even Republican light when faced with a menace like Trump. I won't be happy about Biden as President, just not fearful the country will fall apart right under our feet like now for example. But we can argue Biden's policies after he becomes President. I do not think Republicans for Biden will be a thing after the election though. They will go right back to their corner and propose their new Republican challenger as well they should I suppose.

I for one will forever be grateful that some Republicans recognized the threat to the country and voted as concerned Americans and not merely partisans. That is true patriotism.

 

Biden is not an ideologue. His political positions and proposals will be whatever helps him get elected and what he thinks will make him popular. The reason he has survived so long is because he will shift with his constituents.

This fact is why I believe he will in practice be more progressive than Obama or Clinton. I can tell Obama is more measured than Biden and more cautious. Biden is going to be less concerned about compromise.

Biden had the perfect “out” and could have listened to Obama and selected the well indoctrinated Susan Rice but he didn’t. He passed on other more Clintonian candidates like Abrams as well. While Harris isn’t Bass, her political positions the last handful of years have been far from her prior centrist policy positions.

 

Yes, I see Biden as a horse trader, not someone beholden to convictions. The more I read about Harris, I can see why Biden picked her. Her resume is impeccable even if personally I find her kind of shady.

 

I remember your lot helping Trump win in 2016. So many Bernie voters couldn't bother to show up for Hillary (and even voted for Scump, some of them) and now look what we have: an orange buffoon willing to burn down the United States Post Office and hoodwink his own supporters into voting in person for him (it's just the sniffles).

Now, YOU may have put in your vote in 2016, holding your nose, I suppose, but the tone was sure the same.

Maybe AOC can run in 2024 if Trump gets a second term. By then, though, the Constitution will be so smeared with Trump's **** there may be nothing left to govern.

 

And again with Susan Rice, a lightning rod of Republican hatred. Undeserved, but very real.

 

Shame people who ideologically probably agree on many issues can be so divisive to each other.

Blaming Glynch for Trump is low.

 

Man the Bernie supporters are whiners.......I mean come on......and I love BERNIE - but he lost, and now is endorsing Joe, you don't get to turn the ship right around it is going to take years to turn the party into a true progressive one, and you need to win over a majority of the country - unless young people vote....which so far.....they haven't.

I just wish they would stop whining get behind Joe and when AOC runs, we will all get behind her too.

DD

 

Everyone here is voting for Biden dude. People can still vent their frustrations at the DNC.

 

Hey now. I voted Bernie and then Clinton. I voted Bernie again this year and I'm fully ready to vote Biden. We know what's at stake.

 

ageism lol.

50’s or 60’s is old enough. People in their late 70’s to 80’s should not have this job. There’s nothing anyone could say that would change my mind on that.

 

Yang will speak, IIRC.


Also, are the conventions even important? This is one of the most divisive elections in history. I think 98% of the population's minds were made up months ago.

 

Yep, someone give the man a can o whipped cream!
https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/13/politics/andrew-yang-dnc-speaker/index.html

 

AOC is actually given a speaking spot.

Granted it is only 1 minute but people seem to forget she's still only a first term house Representative. There are a lot of other elected Democrats who have been in office much longer than she has who are getting no stage time.

 

As for the surprise prominent Congressman..

 

Speculation is that it will be John Boehner, Paul Ryan, or Jeff Flake

 

This has nothing to do with Trump, I am ver familiar with Glynch we have been going back and forth since before the Democratic primaries about the same thing his demonizing of centrist and moderate democrats and him claiming anybody that does not agree with him as sucking at the teet of corporate interest.

I have no idea what Republicans for Biden has to do with anything, Glynch is no more legit than me and yes I will keep pushing back on him demonizing a majority of democrats because of his ideology.

 

That's fine but I am not lumping all progressives together like that so your previous point was moot.

We can disagree about Glynch.

 

As noted AOC is speaking at the convention, something very rare for a first time Rep. Sanders is speaking today so it's not like they are just shutting those people out.

What I am troubled by though is complaining about how Dems are catering to Republicans. As you are well aware of this country is very divided and Trump's whole campaign only caters to Republicans. Just catering to one side isn't good for this country but sometimes I get the feeling that "progressives" are more interested in having a revolution than they are about trying to unite the country.

 

During the Iraq war I was posting here under another username but there were many here who opposed the Iraq War.