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Kamala is no joke; will vote for her again

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by KingCheetah, Jul 2, 2021.

  1. astros123

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    Biden had a *pre planned* event discussing small business applications and one of the business at the event was a ice cream shop owner. The event was scheduled to talk about SMALL BUSINESS not the shooting. Look at his calender which was posted BEFORE the shooting

    https://factba.se/biden/calender

    What's demented is how dumb and delusional such a large chunk of the population is by believing anything they see without context. We're a failed society because of disinformation from ppl like YOU.
     
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    The country was paralyzed by yet another tragedy and he makes a rare appearance minutes afterwards clowning about eating ice cream. Tone deaf at best.
     
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    "Paralyzed" as the right started bashing trans folks right away and didn't even care for the parents. Stop pretending the right cares about a solution. The solution is to ban assault riffles which you're not interested in.

    If you watch the event he spoke about the need to ban assault rifles. You're not ready for that conversation
     
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    k.
     
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    Assault rifles don't have much to do with this. In fact, rifles are the major outlier in shootings. Semi-auto handguns are far more problematic and common in gun violence.

    If you're gonna make a dent in the problem, you either have to do one of two things (or both!):

    A) Create such a strong social welfare state as to increase the wellbeing of the citizenry to the point where gun violence declines (happy, healthy, educated people don't shoot each other!)

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    B) Create significant restrictions around handgun ownership, in particular semi-automatics

    Both are anti-thetical to current American conservative orthodoxy, so good luck.
     
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    This is the only solution? We've known this for decades but @Astrodome doesn't care about fixing the problem
     
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    Places like Canada and Scandanavia have a decent number of firearms floating around and aren't swimming in gun violence in large part due to factor A.

    It kind of mirrors the abortion debate.

    You can put an abortion clinic on every corner in America, but hardly anybody would get one if they were financially secure and well educated.
     
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    Lol, I am not a politician. I own one gun that has never been fired. I am a rockets fan laughing at your unwavering support of every Biden move. Go eat some ice cream with your buddy.
     
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    Watching @Trader_Jorge and @astros123 play "whose party is most corrupt?" is fun. It's like a gameshow where the points don't matter and everyone loses.
     
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    You're confusing me with your bffs the MAGA cult. I criticize dems and biden alot. It's you folks that worship your cult leaders
     
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    I own several guns including an AR-15 and support gun control to an extent. I think Biden has also done a pretty good job of balancing a war in Eastern Europe and the growing divide here at home while still getting a laundry list of legislation passed that will help the average American.

    The GOP is a shitshow and it's okay to admit that, this is a safe place where you can let it all out. Come on, I know you want to...
     
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    Reporter: Do you believe that Christians were targeted.... (indecipherable)

    Biden: I have no idea.

    Reporter: Josh Hawley believes they were, what do you say to that?

    Biden: Well I probably don't then, heh.

    Reporter: You probably don't then?

    Biden: No, I'm joking.



    Yeah man, totally ruthless stuff there from ol' Dark Brandon.
     
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    You have to be a idiot to compare the two. Dems want to pass campaign fiance laws and it was Republicans that are responsible for citizens united. I think we need to take all money out of politics. I've never said what hunter biden did was right. All I said was that it wasn't illegal.
     
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    No one on Earth has done A yet.

    Except for the US, all well off countries has done B.

    There is also a uniquely American proposal from some modern Republicans: C) arming the American public fully to protect from the gun-rich American public.
     
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    Yes, they have.
     
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    You are thinking of Switzerland? Or?
     
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    It can be a mix of A and B. Look at countries like Norway, Sweden, Finland, Switzerland, Japan, Germany, France, Canada, the UK, etc; It's undeniable that these countries have stronger safety nets - lower maternal mortality, universal healthcare, drastically lower rates of gun violence, better educational outcomes, less debt, higher quality of lives for more people - but they also have their fair share of unhappiness (see: protests in France, the rise of the AFD in Germany, Brexit, declining birthrates and long working hours in Japan, etc.).

    We've been told that the pursuit of individual wealth is all that matters. That's a uniquely American definition of "economic opportunity" (or "happiness") that has often boiled down to "how much money can you make vs. how much debt can you take on?" My family who lives in Europe (Germany and Switzerland) would give it a different definition: they earn a lot less on paper because of taxation, but they also owe a lot less and can live comfortable, happy lives. They are free to pursue careers in art, pilates, the priesthood, etc. or consider masters degrees because they know that they have what they need (healthcare, reliable and extensive public transportation, heavily-subsidized daycare) to do so without burdening themselves economically.

    Americans have champagne taste and a beer budget when it comes to taxation. One half of our political establishment has railed against taxes for forty years while the quality of life here continues to decline. We don't see the obvious benefit to taxes because it isn't clear what they're paying for and they're obviously not paying for the equalizers - healthcare, affordable education, subsidized childcare, robust public transit etc. - that exist in most other developed countries and help people have "enough" instead of encouraging them to recklessly pursue "more".

    In regards to gun laws, it's undeniable that our society is culturally obsessed with firearms and politically unwilling to do anything about due to our bifurcated party system. I personally know Christians who are solid (R) voters because of one issue (abortion) and it doesn't matter to them that Roe was overturned because what they earnestly view as the elective murder of children is still sanctioned in much of the country. I disagree with this view (and fervently believe that if your opinion is based solely on religious scripture then you have no right to use that viewpoint to impose something else on secular society), but they genuinely believe that the number of children being "murdered" by abortion is orders of magnitude higher than those killed in mass shootings. They lament both, but they can't bring themselves to vote for a Democratic party that supports gun control, but condones abortion.

    The cultural love of guns is also something entrenched in our country. Our puritanical obsession with sex outweighs any concerns with violence depicted in entertainment. We're obsessed with censoring nipples and bad language in movies instead of giving out R ratings for comically violent content. Cartoons are full of violence that is often used as a punch line. Violence is normalized at a very early age and saturates our entertainment in a way that it doesn't in these places where murder rates, gun ownership, etc. are drastically lower and/or regulated.

    At the end of the day, we can't agree upon a shared definition of anything in America (other than that we hate each other) so it's unsurprising that we can't begin to solve a holistic problem like gun violence.
     
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    We cut child poverty by HALF last year by implementing the child tax credit but the program was unpopular overall. Americans don't care for the social well being of the nation. We're a greedy group of people.
     
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    The CTC was popular, but relatively unpopular compared to what it should have been.

    No doubt duopoly brain plays a lot into it. "Biden supports it? Well then I'm against it!"

    But we all know that Democrats are both bad marketers and also their own worst enemies when it comes to pushing legislation.
     

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