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[Kahn] McGrady Needs to Shut Up and Play

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by MystikArkitect, Oct 1, 2008.

  1. asdf001

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    damned if you do, damned if you don't....
     
  2. durvasa

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    Take a look at wekko's post history. Maybe 90% of his Rockets-related posts are either defending Yao or tearing down McGrady.

    Make of that what you will ...
     
  3. ronnymac

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    Glad somonelse sees that agenda driven clown for what he is.
     
  4. bbjai

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    Wekko is like that. He only comes out to pay out T-mac. I've said it before and I'll say it again, all our first round playoff losses are the fault of both stars equally. If we can all admit this we can move on from this ridiculous argument.

    BOTH OUR STARS SUCK IN THE PLAYOFFS PERIOD WE HAVEN'T WON JACK TO SAY OTHERWISE.
     
  5. ronnymac

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    He pays out at mcgrady to make his god yao look good. he should just go to yaomania and jackoff at yaos pictures and stop annoying us.
     
  6. jasonemilio

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    Well, atleast he has some rationalism in his attitude towards Tmac.


    Antisonic, on the other hand, is just a delusional anti-Tmac fanatic. Reason doesn't exist in his world. He exist solely to sensationalize anything that can disprove and discredit Tmac-even on a personal level most of the time.
     
  7. bbjai

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    No guys you are missing the point

    There should be noone defending McGrady and noone defending Yao.

    They both have equally been at fault for whatever first round playoff losses
     
  8. ronnymac

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    Exactly.
     
  9. wekko368

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    None of you seem to like my opinions.

    But then again, none of you are able to logically argue against them.

    Funny isnt it?
     
  10. t_mac1

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    you didn't state facts. i ask you one single playoff game where yao is the clear best player and you say he's "often" the best player in any game he's played in. that's called "dodging" the question.

    so i ask you again, give me one playoff game where after the game, analysts clearly said, "yao absolutely dominated the game" or "that individual game that yao played is historic."

    name one.
     
  11. t_mac1

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    the problem is, you think those deficiencies shouldn't be the reason we should criticize him b/c they're "not his faults." at the end of the day, he has not delivered for us, even less than tracy.
     
  12. wekko368

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    Actually, its not. You asked for one game. I said most of the games he plays in, he's the best player. He's just not surrounded by teammates who effectively utilize him.


    There hasnt been one. He and Tmac both played a lot of minutes in the playoffs, and they do not complement each other. With Tmac running the offense, it would be nearly impossible for Yao to dominate or have historic games.
     
  13. wekko368

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    You criticize him for failing to do things he's physically incapable of which is irrational.

    Have you ever seen me criticize Tmac b/c he doesnt jump from the 3 pt line and dunk it every time?
     
  14. bbjai

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    Here is an argument for you

    T-mac and Yao both suck because they both haven't got out of the first round.


    Go

    argue it

    all you like.
     
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    Based on that logic, Robert Horry is the GOAT.
     
  16. t_mac1

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    look those deficiencies that you claim yao has are the same things that make him good. his height is the reason he's unblockable; his size is the reason he's so hard to guard against...

    look nobody is perfect. all players are blessed with certain natural talents that you can't teach (yao has height, lower body strength, pretty good quickness for a guy 7'6) but those players also have weaknesses.

    yao hasn't dominated for us in the playoffs. that's the thing i'm trying to get across to you. he's extremely gifted and has been a supposed superstar the past 3 years
     
  17. t_mac1

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    this is why i can't have a reasonable discussion with you. you're blaming yao's lack of dominance in the playoffs due to "ineffective" teammates and "tmac running the show."

    tell me one player where you can argue, "the reason he can't dominate is b/c of his teammates or the other star doesn't complement him."

    so yao must be the ONLY STAR IN THE HISTORY of the league to have this thing happened to him. b/c i can't name another star with this particular excuse for the lack of playoff dominance.
     
  18. bbjai

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    thats highly likely because without Robert Horry some players wouldn't be looking at some championship rings.


    And really when your talking about getting out of the first round, its not just Tracy McGrady, its Yao Ming. Our team as a whole, the Houston Rockets has proven nothing. Even Steve Francis is included in this category from his glorified playoff experiences.
     
  19. wekko368

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    Carmelo and Iverson dont complement each other. Its either Carmelo or Iverson running the offense while the other watches.

    Yao is a traditional center. Traditional centers are best served by teammates who are either slashers or good 3 pt shooters. Tmac is neither. And whats worse is that Yao is poorly equipped to handle Tmac's pick and roll.
     
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    Yaos impact in the playoffs is a whole other issues.

    Its like the old saying, two wrongs dont make a right.


    I'm willing to give Yao a few more seasons because he has had a lot more to learn, hwoever I will say that Yao is the reason we took the step from being a side that could play a few decent games a season to one that people started to thing of as a real threat.


    Back to T Mac.

    Lots of points.....never been out of the first round of the playoffs.

    He either changes that next year or we need to trade him for a winner.
     

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