Haha, you are so funny. When TMac didn't have good supportive players, it's his fault for failing. When he has the good supportive players, it's not his credit for winning. Oh, and you are comparing Yao and Artest to Shaq and Kobe? Sure.
I agree, a championship is a team effort and regardless of the skill of a certain individual, no matter their prominence on the team, a ring is a ring. there are several incredibly talented players to never get rings, and some that even when they did, it wasn't their team persay. see: david robinson.
As usual, i read them all. I know they were "trying" to build something, but after 4 yrs of Hill not playing, Andrew DeClerk at center, the guy wanted to go. They didnt have to trade him, but he would have opted out, and they would have gotten nothing. Look how kobe ran Shaq out of town by threatning to sign with the clippers, then cried all last summer about how they cant win with the team he has, then it turns around. Pierce said before the trades last season ,"i guess i'm a great player on poor team." Now everyone can point and say we're contenders and all, but players on that team as well as players around the league know when and if a team is real. Thats why certain teams can get vets cheaper than others. I dont know why i'm responding to you anyway, we know mcgrady stole ur gal at some point in your life.
I think this whole thread is ridiculous Time after time T-mac gets the blame for our first round play off losses. Last time I checked this was a team sport and we have another superstar on this team. Why does only T-mac cop it the most when the entire team imploded at times, particularly game 7 against Utah, twice. If we were in the Eastern Conference we wouldn't be having this conversation. We would be the Pistons destroying everyone to the conference finals and then getting smashed in the NBA finals.
What a joke. during the gundy era, the whole offense started with going into yao. and most of the time it finished with yao.
oh t-mac haters used to be this logic.when t-mac's team can't win,it's all t-mac's fault,even if his stat is huge then the stat couldn't say anything is no meaning or,t-mac is just no more than a big stat stuffer he can't make teammates better can't lead them win.then when t-mac's team win,it's not t-mac's effort and effect,it's because the others in the team play so great,t-mac is no more needed now.you don't adimt? then look at t-mac's poor stat,stat doesn't lie.
McGrady has said that he wants to retire when he's 30 in 1996? At that time he has been in NBA? But I know Kobe said he would retire in early 30 in the past,then he's someone who hasn't a real passion? Maybe they thought at that time that they would have made everything done in early 30 just like Michael? A friend of mine (a Rockets fan since 1994 and now a Yao fan too) once said: if t-mac ever said he would retire,it's not matter ,everyone will experience highs and lows ,and will have different thought at different moments. In the summer of 2000,Orlando signed Hill and Mcgrady ( to be Jordan and Pippen,t-mac was the 2nd banana),then things after that we have all known.If Mcgrady was injured all the time since he came town ,keep Yao carried the team lonely,led us to the playoffs but never achieved something...at any rate Yao should get some deserved credit but not only bashing. If you think when Kobe said he want to be traded in last summer is "want to win",if you think when PP34 wanted to be traded in last summer is "want to win",then why just when T-Mac said "either bring good players to here or trade me"---it's not want to win? I bet,if the thing I supposed above happened( t-mac was injured all the time when he's a rocket and has a long max contract,Yao hadn't other actually helps but just wore out ),most Yao fan,would want Yao to leave Houston.
Ahh, when you can't refute my points, simply go back to the "you're just a hater" card. Whatever helps you sleep at night.
My mistake. He said that in 2006. I dont recall him saying that. Do you have a link to an article? In any case, he has accomplished much more than Tmac (albeit with a better supporting cast). Of course it matters. When players say things like that, it alienates them from fans of the team. Tmac gets a lot of criticism b/c he doesnt give 100% effort. The same cant be said for Yao. Are you seriously comparing the pre-Garnett/Allen Celtics and pre-Gasol/(developed Bynum) to the Rockets? Tmac has had good players here in Houston. At the very least, he has had the best center in the league. Thats fine if those fans feel that way. It just shows they're ignorant to the game. The center position is the most important position in basketball. Quality centers are a rare commodity. Look at Big Z in Cleveland. Look how long they stuck with him even though he had injuries.
Take it easy, Easy! That comment wasn't directed at you. I enjoy that you and I can have a civil discourse. Cheers!
This thread needs to be locked. Forum arguements run in circles. A simple example: McGrady never passed the first round > He never had a solid team > But he choked in Orlando after 3-1 > He didn't have a solid team.... > What about Jazz? > He put up great stats..... > He is still 0-7 > He never had a damn good team but he put up great stats > He is a choke job in crunch time > He had to do everything before crunch time > Everything? He never passed the first round > He didn't have a solid team > What about Yao? Is he not good?> What has Yao done in playoffs? > McGrady still choked > He still put up great stats > But he never passed the first round. The cycle never ends. Those who hate McGrady certainly aren't gonna change any time soon, nor is this thread gonna make much sense any time soon.
I never said he was. Do you ever bother reading posts before you respond to them? I said that by signing him, the Magic were trying to build a contending team, but it never came to fruition due to injuries. Reading comprehension ftw!!!
You guys are completely missing the point. I know a lot of you Tracy fans are too young to remember this, but when the Magic acquired Grant Hill, he was one of the top five players in the NBA. wekko is simply pointing out that going after him (and Tim Duncan at the time) invalidates any criticisms that they weren't trying to put together a good team. Obviously, Hill's injuries threw a wrench into those plans.
