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JVG's tirades during timeouts

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by oschadha, Mar 14, 2006.

  1. Hippieloser

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    There isn't a chance in hell that anyone would EVER start a thread over Keith Bogans being yelled at. Which is EXACTLY the point.

    JVG has been showering Yao with praise publicly for weeks now, calling him the best-prepared guy in the game, the most dedicated player in the NBA, etc. Now when he does some coaching with the kid gloves off, he's the Wicked Witch of the West. Only some of you think it's YAO who's gonna melt. It's almost funny. It's like Van Gundy was over there insulting him or something instead of telling him what he was doing wrong and to get his head in the game.
     
  2. RocketForever

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    I agree with you actually. I have said the OP has overreacted. I just used the Bogan example to show how idiotic it is to label someone to make a point.
     
  3. Hippieloser

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    Awesome! Let's hold hands.
     
  4. wnes

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    :confused: Did I say TMac was playing last night?

    Oh great, yelling in practice is the same as throwing tirades during a game.

    I have no doubt many "lesser" players on the team have been at the receiving end of JVG's verbal barrages during a game, but TMac isn't one of them despite his share of inadequate plays. I have to see one (video) example to believe otherwise. It's not an unreasonable suggestion that JVG is leery of TMac's "star power" and thus treat him differently. On the other hand, some posters attempted to link the fact Yao is more coachable to the conclusion that Yao is supposed to be more obedient to JVG's pointed admonitions, unconditionally. I think they are mistaken and could be up for a big surprise.

    LOL. I agree with you there's a tendency for that. The bigger picture here is the concern about JVG's coaching style/philosophy. IMO several recent "incidents" have shown he's lost his connection with the players. For example, he allegedly had to insert Ryan Bowen onto the court as a punishment for players who were more capable but not willing to play hard-nosed defense. To me, that's just one of many signs that JVG's days with Rockets are numbered.
     
  5. oschadha

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    I can take being flammed, no problem :D . What I can't take is being called a YOF. Maybe my management philosohy is different, but that doesn't make me a YOF fan.
     
  6. ima_drummer2k

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    Perhaps, but this year you have to write that off as JVG being aware of T-Mac's emotionally fragile state of mind. Remember when he went to his house and talked to him about it? Maybe JVG just knows that T-Mac has been on edge all year.

    One man's "pointed admonitions" are another man's normal coaching techniques. And yes, Yao is supposed to be obedient to his coach...just like all players are.

    I highlighted the key word for you. You won't find me defending his playing of RyBo, but we don't know for sure if that was the reason.

    Look, all I'm really trying to say is that people overreacted to a little video clip of JVG yelling at Yao. It probably happens more than any of us know. Yao is a big boy, he can handle it. That's really all I'm trying to say.

    OK, man. I apologize for calling you a YOF. I think we can all agree that we're all a little on edge because of this HORRIBLE season.
     
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  7. edc

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    What about last year? Or the year before that?

    Mr. Van Gundy was not brought in to rebuild, but to "win and win now." He has yet to take this team beyond the first round.

    Players got hurt in the third season? Ouchies made you more sad? The only credit you have to your name (never missed the playoffs) is probably gone? Boo-freaking-hoo. It isn't like you are a lifelong Rocket.

    You should be gone once the season is over. However, the owner is loathe to admit mistakes, and too cheap to pay for them, so you have one more year to make the finals. You don't?

    "You are the Weakest Link. Goodbye."
     
  8. terse

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    Heh. OK, I have a better reply now. I knew JVG didn't scream at the other players as much as they deserved in the NJ game, because there weren't enough timeouts to do it. A coach who has pets, who favors some players unjustifiably, rapidly loses the respect of his players.
     
  9. T_Man

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    A GOOD Coach will find a way to win...
     
  10. GRENDEL

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    With the talent we have outside of T-mac and Yao......Right....
     
  11. McGradySNKT

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    For instance Rick Carlisle with Indiana. How about taking 3 away, which is what he dealt with.
     
  12. T_Man

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    The fact is a coach you adjust... If I have a team full of speed and my game plan is power ball.. something has to change..

    And since my team has not and will not change ANYTIME soon... Then the COACH needs to change his game plan.
     
  13. GRENDEL

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    and make NBDL talent, which is what we had out there when both Yao and T-mac were out, stars....
     
  14. T_Man

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    Even an NBDL team can be an NBA team on any given day... ALA BobCats...

    All you are doing is giving me excuses.... But as I see it I don't hear Phoenix or Indiana crying... They are playing ball and ADJUSTING to what they have.
     
  15. GRENDEL

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    Indiana plays in the east and has the staggering win total of 32-29....so please

    Phoenix still has Shawn Marion and the MVP Steve Nash, remove those 2 from thier team for an extended amount of time and see what happens...
     
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  16. T_Man

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    If I'm not mistaken..

    A) Houston played teams from the East when both McGrady and Yao were out and LOST
    and when 1 of them were both ready and LOST..
    and when both were playing and LOST...



    B) Indiana has been with out it's 2 superstars that started with the team this year and yet they have adjusted and won some games...


    C) Not only has Phoenix been without their main guy for the year they also have 3 new starters and YET they still have not made 1 excuse and they are on
    1) #1 in the Pacific and #2 in the Western Conference.


    I can see you are a Van Gundy fan... which is cool with me..

    But when you have a bad child... you have a bad child and no matter how many excuses you make for him the fact is... He's bad.

    I am not a Van Gundy fan for a couple of reasons....

    1) He makes too many freakin excuses and they are never his fault.
    2) He doesn't know the word or the meaning of ADJUSTMENT.
     
  17. GRENDEL

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    Indiana won some game but the total win total isn't terribly different from ours, I could see your point if Indiana were just on a serious tear but thats not reality

    Dude if you seriously think that Amare is the Suns main guy then there is not point in arguing with you because thats just a silly statement.
     
  18. T_Man

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    How many games did the Rockets with without T_Mac and Yao...

    Nuff said...

    BTW... You refuse to see the fact that Phoenix and Indiana Coach's adjusted to what they had and they got the best out of them....

    A good coach will adjust and at least win ONE freakin game without its star players.
     
  19. rvpals

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    I sort of agreed with Yetti. I don't recall Dean Smith ever yell at his players and they played great team ball.

    I also agreed that JVG will never yell to TMac, and we all know why. It's probably the way people respond to criticism is different, someone's feeling can be hurt easily while others are tough as a nail mentally who can take a lot of criticism.
     
  20. McGradySNKT

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    Or they just tune you out because they could care less for a person who is screaming at the top of their lungs instead of talking to them like a human being.

    If JVG is supposed to be in control he shouldnt have to yell and scream ALL of the time.
     

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