JVG would still trade Battier for today's version of Gay

battier was very disappointing in the playoffs last yr. he couldn't make shots and harpring owned him so bad that tmac had to switch onto him and u know how skinny tmac is compared to harpring.

battier has ALWAYS disappeared in the playoffs. let's see what he does this yr.

and like r2k said, battier is the right guy for this team b/c we needed pieces, not more stars.

 

Then support your opinion. Look at Gay's opponents' FG% and PPG. And that says nothing about building a real-world basketball team that plays well together. Ante up! This isn't a polling booth where you get to cast a ballot without explanation. We debate things around here.

 

his struggling
on both ends of the floor. Its a given fact that his a horrible defender. Mcgrady at least has shown to be a capable defender, even lock down. Gay has shown no such tendancy not even during his collage career.
I don't know why people can say his a superstar when his putting up ridiculous numbers on a crappy team. His not making an impact on winning at any stage. Brandon Roy is, but he isn't. Thats superstar. His a good solid star player. But Superstar on Mcgrady and Yao level? thats pushing it

 

Dude,
Numbers can only say so much, especially when it comes to predicting a young player's potential.
I'm not definitely not an advocate of swapping for Gay, for I can say that his potential is scary enough that we should atleast be able to discuss about it
And dude,
debating doesn't mean bashing other people's opinion

 

He's the guy Carl Herrera torched in the Finals. But his most famous moments came the year before when he missed 4 straight layups on the last possession of I believe Game 3 against the Bulls.

Anyways, I can see why JVG makes this sort of analogy b/c Rudy Gay has the same sort of quiet demeanor as Charles Smith. I don't buy it one bit though. Gay is far more talented and has already come up clutch in many games in his short career.

Fact is JVG has a serious character flaw relating to his rigid stubborness. He never likes to admit when he is wrong. It is just very difficult for him to accept any sort of failure on his part. Gay could be a perenial All-Star the next 5 years and JVG will still talk him down and hype up Battier at the same time.

 

That's the problem.

I have a problem with anybody on this BBS who continues to rant about the Battier trade without offering up anymore than a fantasy basketball analysis.

As a matter of fact, no, I have never played professional basketball. But I play full-court/five-on-five pickup basketball three days a week at lunch and/or in the evenings (consistently, for the last 10 years), coach junior high boys in competitive leagues between school sport seasons, and play in adult leagues (you know, with rules and referees and stuff) in the DFW area when my coaching committments allow me to do so. Those things, plus watching an arse load of basketball, give me the ability to form a reasoned opinion about the Rockets' roster

I am 33 yrs. old (34 in September).

I already answered that.

Look, I'll go to the mat for a newbie that gets the smack down because his first DOZEN or so posts are goofy. But this cat (t_mac1) has 1,300 posts that are bereft of any hint of basketball knowledge, so he's off my sympathy list.

 

yo we have to believe that we can win the champ and bring the trophy home in june, we r currently rollin on a 12 game streak, i believe this winning could potentially go all the way to post season because we have team-chemistry and thats the most important thing. battier is as important as yao and tmac, without him we r not gonna be where we stand right now. gay is awesome player, make a lot highlights but his game doesnt fit into where we r right now. he may fit well with GS or Pho but not us, we r very balanced defensive team, we share the ball , we value defense which is the key to win games, look at SA and PHO, we need to be the next dynasty and take over the Spurs, and gay isnt the guy we need, we have the right pieces, yao the best center, tmac unselfish playmaker, alston growing to be a legit point guard, battier defensive player, scola/landry hustling player offensive rb beast, this is what we need. the only way i can see to improve out team is to get a 3-ponter shooter which we did, and maybe get Mr.Big Shot as our point guard but thats not gonna happen

 

Where is GATER when we need him? ... and SamFisher for that matter.

 

Dude,
I don't think anyone here would trade Battier for Gay right now. They would be stupid to do so. But to deny his potential? The guy is a freak of nature with a great developing jumper. And just because he doesn't play defense doesn't mean he can't. Anyone who has seen him knows that he has great potential on the defensive end-I say at the very worst he becomes like the Houston version of Tmac (ie lazy defense).
And no matter how you break it down, the professional level is a whole another playing field. Why do you think there are so few former college coaches who have made a successful transition to the pro game (Larry Brown was an exception), not to mention you're only at the high school level, no offense. If you were so knowledgeable and such a keen talent evaluator, then shouldn't you be working for ESPN or been a professional scouter or something?
Again, I would never trade Battier for Gay in a million years, but if we could somehow could've kept him without ruining the threesome, I would've gladly support that (although Rafer is doing better as of late); and fyi, if you want to talk numbers, then you should know that Gay is progressing at a much better pace than Tmac did at the same point in their respective careers

 

I think your giving some of the posters on this board a bit too much credit. Alot of them will gladly give up Battier for Gay in a heartbeat. He plays within the Grizzlies offence which is alot faster then ours. Its understandable he gets more points. His yet to prove his great of course

 

I would take Battier over Gay anytime of the week, twice on Sundays. That being said, 3-5 years down the line it might be a different story. But I'm not into potential, Battier is perfect for this team now and for years to come. His team defense is great. He helps us more than Gay currently could.

 

For one neither are over sized what soi ever for SF both lack the muscle and aren't extremely tall. For two saying Green is another version of Gay is laughable and down right stupid. Unless you mean the much much much much worse version of Gay.

 

When you have Tmac, you need someone to compliment him on the wing, and Battier taking on the toughest wing defensive assignment each and every game, and playing amazing team ball, is worth more to a winning team than Rudy Gay's athleticism and scoring abilities.

I would do the Rudy Gay for Battier trade again...in a heartbeat....loved the trade when it happened.....LOVE IT still today.

DD

 

i thought this horse had been flogged to death already. We would have gotten far more for Gay than Battier if we knew how good the kid would get. Typical JVG stubborness, God i'm glad he's out, otherwise chuck hayes would be a starter

You NEVER trade potential for mediocre role players. I love battier, but he cant even make wide open spot up 3's consistently.

 

T-Mac was the backup for an in-his-prime Vince Carter. Compare the difference between the last year in Toronto and the first year with the Magic and rethink your statement. Come to think of it, it's rather amazing how much more productive Kobe Bryant was when he wasn't Eddie Jones' backup.

Quit it with the stat line checks on nba.com and espn.go.com. And remember that there are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lies,_damned_lies,_and_statistics

 

Do you watch the games?

 

He is hitting at a 45% clip on 3s during this streak.

DD

 

i will only give up battier,only if i knew gay would be willing to chase the opponents best player all over the court.i would trade battier for gay if gay is anything like the t-mac from his toronto days. but we will never know if gay would have been able to do that .he has the speed,the length and the athleticism and maybe he would have flourished playing for van gundy as a great defender but again we will never know. people around here tends to forget what shane does for us night in and night out. he guards the other team best player, shane allows t-mac to be fresh . look at it like this, the night that shane is guarding gay is like a holiday for him compare to the kobe,wade,pierce,lebron,melo,hamilton,joe johnson,ginobili,etc. battier is right for this team but clearly gay will be a star in this league for many years to come.

 

I know...that was my point...even his season average is more than respectable, keeping in mind his stink-fest from the arc before the win streak started and the allstar weekend...

 

It is hard to argue with people who seem to get their knowledge from watching the top 10 dunks etc on SportsCenter.

Basketball is so much more than highlites, in fact 99% of it is hard work, sweat and smarts....

Battier is a guy whom EVERY person would want to play with.....he is a quality player, who does all the dirty work and hits timely shots.

We are lucky to have him.

DD