Actually Bowen got less playing time under Van Gundy - than any other coach in his NBA career - so much for that theory. Looks like that's strike 3, thanks for playing kid. Oh no, wait, it's a passed ball! Got to throw to first Because I'm not functionally r****ded? I'm not sure if you typed this in an attempt to be ironic or not - please go back to the dugout.
And the Celtics were 4 points away from a Title this year. And if John Starks could have hit a shot in Game 6, the knicks would have been a champion. If John Paxson doesn't hit that 3, maybe the Suns beat the Bulls. If if if. One game? One game isn't close to winning a championship. I mean, we weren't even competitive in game 7 against L.a. Nor game 5. We got blown out both games. And if you think Bob Sura and David Wesley, Jon Barry (not JOHN), Mike James was a good supporting cast...let me ask you - where did they go afterwards? Which of them has been none to contribute to a competitive team since? You can't compare those guys to Brooks, Scola, Landry, Lowry. Not even close. Teams would love to get Brooks and Scola - many offers being made and they were chased. No one wanted Alston, Barry, or Hayes. Man...I'm sorry, you have no idea what you are talking about.
Despite taking the series to Game 7, we were never close to beating the Lakers. Especially after Yao went down, LA underachieved throughout that series, turning it on only when it mattered. Kudos to the Rockets for bringing it every game, but the Lakers were the superior team by far. That said, I'd still say Adelman is a better coach than JVG. He just knows how to utilize the strengths of his players, and he puts them in positions where they can maximize their talents. His Rockets teams have consistently shown amazing chemistry, and I credit his coaching for it. OTOH Van Gundy knows how to build extremely well-disciplined teams that depend on predictability and repetition for their success. Players have very defined roles suited to their skills, but sometimes these roles leave them little room for further improvement. Obviously, Van Gundy's formula does work, but I always feel a distinct ceiling limit to his teams.
Loll at the Troll who's got name-spelling-mistakes in his own stupid moniker now trying to proofread for other posters :grin:
The definitive post on the subject. Too bad it wasn't on the first page; could have just ended the thread right there.
I said theoretically speaking just like IF JVG theoretically had NBA experience he wouldn't have to rely on theoretical knowledge. JVG conferred with his brother Stan Van Gundy, the latter having coached Rafer Alston, and signed off on the acquisition of Rafer Alston the next season, who would eventually be JVG's favorite. They chose him over Mike James who would have his best season in his career with the raptors. You're right , no one wants Rafer Alston in hindsight but back then JVG was a staunch defender of that acquisition. As for Bob Sura, David Wesley, John Barry and Mike James, they were shooting the lights out the whole season , and their absence would be sorely missed with rafer alston manning the guard position the next season. source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rafer_Alston Alston was traded to the Houston Rockets for guard Mike James on October 4, 2005. Although Alston frequently was criticized for his attitude while in Toronto, it is believed that Rockets coach Jeff Van Gundy conferred with his brother, Miami Heat coach Stan Van Gundy, who coached Alston during the 2003–04 NBA season, about Alston's work ethic and attitude. Jeff Van Gundy's reputation for toughness and his ability to get the most out of players previously considered "trouble-makers" or "temperamental" (e.g., Latrell Sprewell) led to optimism on the part of the Rockets' staff.[
The Warriors were 2nd in PPG last year. They were 14th in offensive efficiency. Which ranking do you think is closer to the mark for their offense -- 2nd or 14th?
As ridiculous as it sounds that we could've gone all the way, how difficult was it to take the lakers to seven games? NO OTHER TEAM TOOK THE LAKERS TO SEVEN GAMES THAT SEASON. Consider this: Lakers beat the JAZZ in six games during the first round, Lakers beat the NUGGETS in six games in the western conference finals, and the Lakers beat the MAGIC in five games in the finals series. so technically no other team came as close to us to beating the lakers that year. http://www.nba.com/lakers/schedule/results_2008.html
Wow - amazing. Round of applause for you man. Lots of conclusive research, capital letters, and LINKS.....you must have blown your whole saturday on that.
LMAO..It's not a theory. Bowen was indeed one of JVG's favorites. And he actually STARTED in the playoffs against Dallas. For someone who's so opinionated, it doesnt seem like you've followed the Rockets very closely.
Thats irrelevant. The guy made the baseless remark that we arent a better offensive team from the JVG days. Our points per game is up and we average more possessions per game. Our fastbreak points went up as well.......At the end of the day, our team is alot better offensivley under Adelman "uptempo pace as opposed to JVG "grind it out" style. You disagree with that, right?
Actually, efficiency is much more relevant than points per game, fast break points, or pace in determining whether the team is "better" offensively. If you run up and down (pace), you are going to score more points. The other team is also going to score more points. If you score on a higher percentage of your possessions, you increase your score without increasing the other team's score. There is a reason the Warriors were raised. Last season the Warriors scored 7.1 more points per game than the Lakers. They were first in pace to the Lakers 14th. I can't find the 2010 FB totals, but in 2009 they were first and the Lakers were 27th. According to offensive efficiency numbers, the Lakers were a bit better than the Warriors (and much better in defensive efficiency). Now, do you think the Warriors were massively better than the Lakers on offense, or is it just that there style of play leads to higher scoring games for both teams. As a clue, the Lakers won the title and the Warriors finished tied for the fourth worst record in basketball.
Its not irrelevant. You are arguing that Adelman's Rockets are a much better offensive team because they score more points per game and they play at a faster pace. If that's what you go by to judge "better offense", Golden State has to be considered one of the very best offensive teams in the league last year because they were 2nd in PPG and 1st in pace. Do you think Golden State was an elite offensive team last year?
Sigh. If it was "not a theory" you could back it up with facts. You can't. This is a post of mine from 2007, here's how much Ryan Bowen's #1 patron played him: And I'm not even going to touch the efficiency stuff. Your shipment of fail is dripping down your chin, my friend.
Yes they were. That's what Don Nelson is all about. Love their effort for creating faster pace and the ability of scoring the points.
