Actually, "create" is important. JVG's biggest flaw, imo, is his inability to create offense without a super talented creator like McGrady. Come on, Frahm played in 8 games, and Swift wasn't a starter. It's more like Howard, Wesley, and Head. These guys are capable of knocking down jumpers when set up for wide open shots. Howard was a decent offensive player. Head was one of the best 3pt shooters in the league during the regular season. Scola and Landry were raw 2nd-year players, so was Brooks. And Lowry didn't come until the trade happened. (Martin didn't exist as a Rocket that year. So don't bring him in the picture.) Sure, Adelman's 08-09 team was more talented than JVG's 05-06 team. But it wasn't as much as you make out of, not as much as the difference between 14th and 29th.
Really? A healthy Yao and Tmac were both top 10 players in the league....they should have won their first round matchup that year. JVG never adjusted. Ugh - forget it, I won this argument years ago when Morey and Les fired his butt. You guys keep raining down your excuses........LET IT RAIN, LET IT POUR !! JVG never gave any excuses, but his loyalists do..... DD
I am not aware that the 09/10 team consisted of Rafer Alston, Luther Head, Juwan Howard, Chuck Hayes, Stromile Swift, David Wesley, Rick Brunson, Dikembe Mutombo, etc. I am suprised that you'd make the comparison given how wet you get over the likes of the great AB, Budinger, the Passion Fruit Assassin, etc. Funny how not having such "special" players on the roster back in 05/06 doesn't inform you of the silliness of the comparison. The Rockets had talent to win only 34 games with a good coach back then, they got 34 wins. They had talent to win 42 games last year with a good coach, and they got the 42 wins.
Well, if JVG was a little bit more savvy he would have won 33 or 32 games instead and had Brandon Roy on his team and probably would still be coaching here. But alas, he made too many mistakes and was FIRED FOR FAILURE ! DD
Playoffs Both Yao and TMAC played in the playoffs in 06/07 and still lost == JVG sucked. Yao did not play in playoffs in 07/08 and lost == Adelman incomplete. regular season: 55 wins > 52 wins. Adelman won. 22 win streak with half Yao. Adelman won. Adelman did it with: Yao and TMAC were one year older and had more tear&worn, both were at declining point. 3 rookies with Scola was new to the country. first year of coaching a team with standing-still players . No, these are not important, let me make my conclusion: JVG > Adelman?
So you are saying Adelman would have beat Utah with the 06/07 team? What exactly could have have done to make Yao Ming capable of guarding either Okur or Boozer? What exactly could he have done to free up Luther Head for open shots?
Actually the only thing Yao's brutal sodomization at the hands of the Utah Jazz from 05-07 tells us is that he wasn't ever a franchise player, given the ease with which he was neutralized.
JVG's 34-win season, Yao played 57 games, TMAc played 47 games. Adelman's 42-win season, Yao played 0 games. TMAC played 6 (7-min) games.
I was not saying that. I was not saying that Adelman could not do it either. Evaluation incomplete. Adelman had a remote chance. who knows. If he can have a 22-win streak with both guys, he might be able to beat Utah using the best center and league's top player TMAC. The only sure thing is: JVG did not beat Utah with full Yao and TMAC. the only sure thing is: JVG did not.
Yes he was, and he will be fired here too...I just find it funny that all the apologists are finding excuses when their manlove didn't even want any himself. DD
And Adelman really hasn't been able to "create" anything better thus far...you keep putting the cart before the horse. I'm still looking for somebody to explain to me why Adelman produces better offenses when the only differnce between the two appears to be pace. Swift was meant to be the opening day starter as he was the prize free-agent acquisition of the summer - the fact that he couldnt' do it, due to poor play, only serves to reinforce the discrepancy between the two (Adelman gets handed Scola and Landry instead of a career journeyman) Bwahahahaha, I have an remember a long posting war following that season where the stats showed, conclusively, that Howard was not a decent offensive player. In fact he made them worse while on the floor. ... http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=115834&page=15&pp=20&highlight=Jefferson+Howard(note, this was in response to one of DD's "We are contenders!" offseason spank sessions, lol) .... who had the effect of inhibiting the offense rather than helping it. Look at durvasa's chart, it pretty much speaks for itself. In the injury season of 09/10? And please, do not give me that raw rookie bullsh-t about Landry, if I recall correctly, he posted the best offensive efficiency numbers of his career for long stretches as a Rookie and became a Hollinger mascot for his PER. I'm talking about his 09/10 team. You do in fact appear to be seriously arguing that Martin, Scola Landry et al are comparable to HOward, Wesley, Head - I don't have anything further to say about it other than that it's patently ridiculous on its face.
And there you have it, your argument boils down to a more talented team finishing slightly better in a glorious 42-40 lottery season, displaying mediocre offense and horrid defense, than another crappy lotto team. WNBA - we got next!
more talented team? 05-06 : 70% of 4 years younger Yao， 57% of 4 years younger TMAC. 09-10: 0% Yao, 7% of TMAC. which was better team? slightly better (42-34)/34= 23.5%, yeah, slightly better, only 23.5% better.
I was comparing the 08-09 season and the 05-06 season, which makes more sense. TMac missed lots of games in both seasons. My point was, JVG couldn't create offense without TMac while Adelman could. Why compare 09-10 to 05-06? Yao was totally absent from the former but played 57 games in the latter. These were the players who played more than half of the season with more than half of the time per game (24 mpg): 05-06 : 29th offensive efficient McGrady Yao Alston Howard Wesley Head 08-09 : 14th offensive efficiency Yao Artest Scola (2nd year) Brooks (2nd year) Alston Wafer (journey man) Battier (Landry played less than 21 mpg)
People are forgetting about one fact. Yao just came back from injury in that series against Utah. He came back and played 2 or 3 regular season games and then he had to face the Utah Jazz. His form wasn't very good and he looked one or two steps slower. By contrast, he was fully healthy and in good shape in that series against Portland. The biggest improvement actually came with Scola. The team started to have a legit PF for many years.
