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JVG "under" or "over" rated

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by derrick, Feb 15, 2006.

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  1. tchou

    tchou Member

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    Negativity isn't the best tool to motivate. Each player relates and communicates with a coach differently. It's not reasonable to force everyone to conform to you.

    Especially not by Rookie Coaches, right?

    Agreed, but JVG never in his life built a well-tuned system.

    Frankly speaking, I think JVG is a good coach. But as one of the highest paid coaches in the league, I definitely think he's overrated. I strongly believe that he could be doing a lot better, and that may be because he's not necessarily the best coach for his roster.
     
  2. BigM

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    ok :rolleyes: why is what van gundy does with his second and third team more important to you than what he does when his players are healthy?
     
  3. Rocket River

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    Good to Above Average X-O guy [grind it out though his style be]

    he SUCKS as a motivator and inspirer

    While he may think that . .. well they make millions
    they should not *have* to be inspire
    well
    Let me let u in on a little something . . .
    It is part of the Job of COACH at *ANY* level

    Rocket River
     
  4. Rocket River

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    Avery Johnson undressed him last year
    Down 2-0 and then won 4 of 5
    Game 7 is the where i think the issue lies
    AJ had his guys ready .. JVG did not
    say its the players or whatever . .it is what it is
    JVG's guys were not ready

    JVG reminds me of Jerry Sloan
    they are both GOOD Coaches
    but
    I don't think they allow their clubs to have the 5th gear
    that GREAT teams need in the playoffs
    plus
    I don't think they are great Motivators

    Fear and intimidation will only go so far

    Rocket River
     
  5. ubigred

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    period.
     
  6. TBar

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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by bejezuz
    "I'm a big Van Gundy fan. I've noticed that people that don't like him tend to think he is too negative. JVG uses negativity to motivate."

    Per Tchou:
    "Negativity isn't the best tool to motivate. Each player relates and communicates with a coach differently. It's not reasonable to force everyone to conform to you."

    I do not understand why anyone would think using fear to motivate is a good attribute. It does not instill loyalty, confidence, or that "team" sense.

    Many here point out that Tracy has said in the past that JVG is the best coach he has worked with. Others have carried it further and said that all his players have said that. Recall recently Marcus Camby talking about JVG coaching style as affecting his game long term -hurting his offfensive approach to the game. JVG is not universally loved by those he has coached.

    I do not like the negativity, seldom praising players, but I will support JVG as the coach because I am a fan of the team first.
     
  7. Rocket River

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    I would also add i is NBA-Speak
    If someone bad mouths a coach . . they get Lambasted like they T.O.
    You don't piss where you eat

    Rocket River
     
  8. bejezuz

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    Getting that team to 3-1 without a legit power forward on the squad was a certified miracle. The loss last year had nothing to do with motivation. It had to do with having Padge and Bowen at the 4, and your starting point and shooting guard playing on shreaded knees.

    Revisionist history if I've ever heard it. And for the guy's calling AJ a rookie coach, he's the most battle tested rookie coach out there. JVG wasn't out-coached, he was outmanned, plain and simple.
     
  9. Rocket River

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    down 2-0 he was a scrub . . not he battle tested
    oh ok . . .

    Rocket River
     
  10. TBar

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    Per Rocket River:

    "I would also add i is NBA-Speak
    If someone bad mouths a coach . . they get Lambasted like they T.O.
    You don't piss where you eat"

    Rocket River

    I was not condoning -ok with -players taking the coach to the media or anything. That is a two way street of respect. I do not like the negativity I hear in the media from our Rockets coach. I do not want to hear a player bad mouthing him either.

    The coach should take the high road and dress down a player in private, praise him when he is on the right track( I know they make millions and that is their job-but try to build chemistry).

    We do not have a Terrell Owens on this team-he got traded to Portland in 1999 and we recieved garbage in return (Pippen should burn in hell)
     
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    31:63 for half tells everything :eek: :eek:
     
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    He is way underrated for not knowing how to adjust. I mean the whole world knows Sun's game plan before the game even play. Run, run, run, PnP against Yao, double and triple our stars in the paint. What JVG do? Stick to Juwan Howard in the starting lineup, put in his lover Ray Bowen and take out both Yao and T-Mac. He is a genius.
     
  13. ndnguy85

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    outmanned?? so how did we win game 1 and 2. people keep thinking we lost cause we didnt' have jho. THAT IS NOT THE REASON. we lost because the injury to vanhorn turned on a light bulb in avery's head. go small and run!
     

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