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JVG To Warriors?

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by jlwee, Sep 10, 2007.

  1. London'sBurning

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    DaDa is worse than Bexcelent and B-Ball Scientist in repeating the same tired broken record if only because he's been doing this for many months longer. Honestly I don't care about how long he's been a member, just about any thread I see him post in is has a jab at JVG or promoting V-Span. I thought the whole ban was so he would shut up about all this. What's worse to me though is he has to repeat the same "JVG is horrible, V-Span was jobbed, but now that I've said this for a billion times, let me say lets all put this behind us since they're no longer apart of this team anymore. I said that last part about a million times since coming back too. Oh and JVG sucks! Put it behind us though! I'm a hypocrite! JVG sucks! Olive branch of peace! JVG sucks! Dear God help me shutup!"
     
  2. durvasa

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    I don't think he'd do great in GSW. But I think he'd do alright (at least 40 wins). He'll get them to play solid defense, because that's what he's always done with his teams -- regardless of the individual defensive talent. And the Warriors have some some nice, versatile offensive talent which should make them at least adequate on that end. They wouldn't run as much, because JVG puts a high emphasis on defensive rebounding. But they could end up being more efficient in their half-court sets with some added discipline.

    Do I think he could have led the Warriors to a series win over the Mavs last year? Probably not.
     
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  3. OrangeRowdy95

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    Nelly is the only coach who can beat the Mavs. He has them figured out. No coach could have beat the Mavs last year, except Nelly. I think the Rockets had a shot to take them out in Round 2 because of Battier, but that's another story.
     
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    Spurs can beat the Mavs with Spanoullis. Uhum!! [shaking] Did I say something bad.. :eek: :eek: :eek:

    :D
     
  5. DaDakota

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    Wow, thanks for the personal attack, how very big of you.

    :rolleyes:

    Go find another recent thread of the GARM where I am even discussing JVG or V-Span.

    You know why you can't?????

    because neither are on the team anymore, and all I care about is the Rockets.

    Heck, there is an entire thread dedicated to V-Span that is over 8 pages long, and guess what? I have not posted once in that thread.

    So, please take the time to realize that when a thread is ABOUT a particular topic (JVG or VSpan etc), then I see no harm in coming in and discussing his coaching of the Warriors or what he did as the Rockets coach because it is germaine to the discussion.

    If my posts bother you that much London, than put me on ignore, so I won't have to read you whining about something that is months old.

    It is clear you just don't like my opinions and are just piling on.....

    If you are going to publicly complain about something or someone, I would appreciate it if you were at least somewhat current in your whinyness.

    Thanks,

    DD
     
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  6. GATER

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    Van Gundy is likely one of the best defensive minds to ever coach an NBA game. That alone doesn't qualify him as a "great" coach.

    Using the Spurs and Pistons as examples to bolster the theory that VG's methodology wins championships is IMHO riddled with holes. Among the numerous would be Van Gundy overlooking the turnovers of Manu and Parker on their one-man fastbreak efforts, whether he'd ever (or how much he'd) allow Duncan to play facing the basket and if he'd handle Rasheed as he did Bonzi.

    Championships are about balance and an occassional calculated risk. Van Gundy is about defensive emphasis beyond all else (see Hayes, Chuck) and taking very, very few risks. I'm obviously joking in this sentrence but as I typed the prior one, a vision of Van Gundy not allowing Willis Reed on the court for a Game 7 popped into my mind.

    The VG debate will go on as long as there is a ClutchFans. But I highly doubt James, Francis, Wells and even Scola (Euro-level D) would be here this year had Van Gundy remained. TRADE ACCEPTED.
     
  7. OrangeRowdy95

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    One reason why JVG told people he wouldn't be back is because management never did much to upgrade the team, especially after last year's injury-plagued lottery season. The only reason he wanted to come back because Daryl Morey gave him an assurance that there would be drastic upgrades to the roster. JVG was at James' doorstep for 2 straight days, and he wanted him at the trade deadline again, he still praises Francis and said he was in a terrible situation in NY, and Scola is a JVG-type player, kind of like Battier. Wells would have been back anyway, and JVG would have happily accepted him. He told season ticket holders last summer that the 3 guys he wanted were Mike James, Bonzi Wells, and Matt Harpring. We got our Matt Harpring in Batter, we tried to get James, and we landed Wells. James was the missing piece in our championship run last season.
     
  8. redefined

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    What are you talking about? Only JVG would have had Hayes starting. Only JVG wouldn't trade Howard for James for chemistry reasons. The fact is, that was his team. He got what he wanted. Not my fault he didn't want to play Bonzi or Snyder. He flipped the entire team when he arrived. Everything was his fault. That's why I would never call it rebuilding.
     
  9. London'sBurning

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    Guess I hit a nerve. I've been quiet about all of it til now because I did have you ignore. People quote you. People make replies to you and your constant discussion of JVG and Span and ignore doesn't really remedy the problem at all. The ban you got was the best dose of sanity about Rocket discussion in a long while. The ban was so you would avoid this type of stuff. I'm not gonna harp on V-Span. Hope he does well in Greece. I just never understood why you feel the need to beat a dead horse. JVG to GSW maybe? There's almost 3 pages spread around in your recent post history all to this thread so you can say you won, repeat the same tired opinion, and get this, NOT move on. I liked what you said at the end of page 3 and just not posting in these types of threads. I got no problem with you otherwise, but reading the same broken record from one of the most frequent posters on this board is tiring.
     
  10. OrangeRowdy95

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    Hayes had the best Lenovo Stat in the NBA because he worked great next to Yao. He only started half of our team's games, because once Yao went out, Juwan was our starter alongside Mutombo. I guess you would have rather had Novak starting then :confused: .
    JVG wanted James, but if we gave up Howard, then we wouldn't have had any big men since Yao was hurt, and that would have hurt our chemistry. Mutombo and Hayes would have been our starters, meaning we would have no offensive production from the front line, and they wouldn't have had any quality backups (I don't consider Novak and Tsakalidis quality). That's 0 offense from our bigs. Give Juwan his props. He stepped it up when we needed him to most. He was benched in the 1st month of the season, and then caught his break when Novak sucked and Hayes and then Yao got hurt. He was averaged over 15 points and 8 rebounds when Yao got hurt. If we had Yao healthy, then hell yeah make the trade for James/Kleiza. Remember too Juwan was our team leader (which is pretty pathetic if you ask me), but he and Mutombo and the coaching staff kept everything together when Yao went down. We at least replaced Juwan's leadership with Mike James and Francis', since we all know Tracy ain't no leader.
    That was not jvg's team. He stated exactly what he wanted last offseason: 3 starting-caliber point guards, a 4 who could spread the floor, and depth at the 2/3 positions (to withstand Tracy's back) so he could go 9 men deep every night. CD got him Battier, Snyder, and Wells to solve the depth issue at the 2/3 positions. CD and Lyndsay must have thought JL3 and V-Mac (1 undrafted another was picked in the 50's) were starting-caliber, and put too much hopes on Novak. Remember 2 years ago, when Rafer got hurt, and Wesley/Head were our points, and we had to sign Brunson? JVG criticized management for not getting any more pgs in the offseason b/c of Sura's injury, which led to Peter Vescey saying he and Dawson weren't on speaking terms. If Morey was GM, we'd have drafted Daniel Gibson instead of Novak (filling the backup pg need), somehow landed Mike James in free agency bc of that stupid trade kicker, signed Chris Webber when he got waived, and still pulled off the Battier trade. That's why Daryl Morey will have done more in 1 summer than CD did in his career as GM. It took Drayton 2 years to realize the real Big Puma was a bum. It took Les 10.
     
  11. DonkeyMagic

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    thats the talk of a sane man :rolleyes:
     
  12. DaDakota

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    What problem? How exactly are you put off by reading a post on an internet bulletin board? Are you that sensitive?

    It takes two or more to argue....

    I grow just as weary about the JVG apologists, or V-Span haters, but I don't complain about them having an opinion, or repeating their opinion over and over, which is what I get called on, but it takes more than one to argue - and if you look most of the arguments are with the same few posters....Sam Fisher and Donkey Magic to name two of them.

    Example: Blah blah blah...52 wins...blah blah blah...without Yao...blah blah blah....CD made the Roster....blah blah blah.....no options on bench....blah blah blah...V-Span sucked....blah blah blah.....Synder is dumb.....blah blah blah....

    A lot of that is a matter of opinion. I respect other people's opinions about JVG etc, I just think they are wrong.

    It is your choice to read or not.

    And without this discussion you would not have had the chance to read my take at the end of page 3 which you liked so much, so while I understand that you have an issue with my opinion about JVG and the fact that I have posted about him ad-Nauseum, I don't understand why you would whine about it, nor why anyone would whine about it......

    I can understand that, so, just don't read it.

    Problem solved.


    DD
     
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  13. zong

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    It just sounds like someone supports G. W. Bush no matter what he is doing. :)

     
  14. London'sBurning

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    Know what my favorite part about your discussion at the end of page 3 was?

     
  15. DonkeyMagic

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    sometimes people cant take their own advice
     
  16. London'sBurning

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    Hard to avoid when its on both NBA forums on this board.
     
  17. DonkeyMagic

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    you'd think
     
  18. redefined

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    Thanks for understanding. If it wasn't his fault, wouldn't he still be here right now? Just something to ponder on.

    Why fix what's not broke? Wait a minute, Rockets fired him.

    Only sane men would be able to put 2 and 2 together you know...
     
  19. OrangeRowdy95

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    I blame TMac for the reason we didn't make the playoffs 2 seasons ago and why we lost to Dallas and Utah. He's a 2nd round virgin. Why is he still here? If it was solely JVG's fault, then only JVG would be gone, not his assistants, or his players. With the exception of Tracy, Yao, and Shane, we're going to have a completely new rotation next year, so there are more people to blame than JVG, chiefly CD for not really doing much as GM. Why do you think every executive in the NBA loves him so much, whereas most executives hate Billy Beane and Jerry West?
     
  20. redefined

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    Why aren't you getting this through your head that it was JVG's team and nobody else's. That's why he's gone. And you're making it sound like it was all CD's fault. In 2005 he made chicken salad out of chicken s***. He made some spectacular deals and assembled a great team, starting with nothing I might add. Shame on you if you are not going to give him any credit.
     

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