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JVG to Swift: Welcome to the Doghouse

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by emjohn, Nov 29, 2005.

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What's up with Stromile Swift?

  1. He needs to start

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  2. He needs a good spanking

    46 vote(s)
    10.5%
  3. This is how he was in Memphis, get used to it

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  4. He just needs time to adjust

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  5. He listens to Clay Aiken before games

    41 vote(s)
    9.3%
  1. jopatmc

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    Let's all drink some fermented egg nog and forget this whole turd bird party.
     
  2. GATER

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    It may be "acceptable" to you but the on-going rants based upon nothing more than personal opinion are old, tiring and a waste of bandwidth. If you'll take the time to read all the posts between the two posters, maybe it'll make more sense to you.

    And that's not even addressing this borderline racist remark from his initial post....

     
  3. cuneo77

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    i say why not start him, maybe he'll be better with tmac and yao cant hurt, howard doesnt exactly bring it al the time, but may be a good spark off the bench when he's on, at least stro can bother dirk or tim's shots
     
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  4. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    howard played a pretty good game last night with T-Mac and Yao. 12 and 7. the problem is both of them have the same weakness, defense, so you might as well start howard.
     
  5. Dr of Dunk

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    Even with Howard not hitting his shots, he's a better player at this point than Stromile. I think I stated this in another thread, but if you're looking for about 1 or 2 highlight reel plays, Stromile is your man. But the guy plays flat-out dumb. I couldn't believe all the people that were pissing on JVG saying he should be starting Stromile over JHo.

    I think in last night's game it was Juwan or Head that was being trapped in the backcourt, I forget who, to be honest. Instead of Stromile looking back to help the ballhandler out and act as a safety valve, Stromile just kept jogging to other side of the court leaving his teammate back there alone with no outlet to get the ball over the halfcourt line in time. You can hear him scream "STROMILE!" if you watch the broadcast again. End result : Rockets are called for a violation for not getting the ball over the midcourt line in time. Oh wait... no... End Result : Stromile Swift is immediately benched by Jeff Van Gundy. It was an interesting sequence, and proof positive that Stromile doesn't play basketball well. But boy are those dunks great, huh? :)
     
  6. Dr of Dunk

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    Oh yeah, and I meant to add that even if Howard's not hitting his shots his head is still in the game. Howard may make a mistake or two, but he's not going to do utterly inane things on the court. He plays within the game. He plays the best D he can at this stage of his career. You won't catch him playing half-assed out there. Some of you guys are underrating him. He's not a stud PF, but he's not a dud PF, either.
     
  7. Moe

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    It was Wesley that was bringing up the ball. Stromile was oblivious to everything except trotting up court. It was such a bad play, I was embarrased for him. He really looked like the guy trying out for 7th grade basketball that has never played on a team before.

    In all seriousness, maybe Stro is ADD to the point medication would help.
     
  8. baller4life315

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    Swift = "should be a lot better" version of Kelvin Cato

    Both dumb as a rock with little to no basketball IQ, both foul prone, both are really only effective offensively when shooting under the basket or the occasional alley oop. Only difference is Cato is 100x more physical and Swift is more coordinated (for what thats worth). Swift is a better all around player but looks like garbage as a Rocket.

    Both also exemplify unfulfilled potential.
     
  9. Pistol Pete

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    If the guy wants to make ignorant comments about the Rockets or anyone connected with the Rockets, this is the place to do it. It's not the place to start name calling another poster because you don't agree with his opinion. Surely you can comprehend that.
     
  10. tchou

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    <B>SERIOUSLY FAULTY Logic</b>. SA/Detroit/Indiana are indeed defensive minded teams, but they still execute offense very smoothly.

    The reason why their scoring is so lower per game is NOT because they aren't great offensive teams. It's because:

    1) They don't like taking shots early in the shot clock.
    2) They prefer to take the BEST shot of the possession (as opposed to the first available decent shot).

    The primary reason why the Rockets averaged such high PPG last season was because of TMac. And if you take TMac, JVG's offense is... well, you know the rest.
     
  11. OddsOn

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    Yeah thats it........JVG is the reason his players, other then Yao and T-Mac, can't shoot worth a damn or remember the offensive sets....LOL Some of you guys just crack me up with you comments.
     
  12. DaGlide

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    I don't get all the hating on Swift. The word on the street when we traded for him was that he's an unpolished, physically-gifted player capable of overperfoming in some situations and underperforming in others. This is exactly what we have seen in the early part of the season, no? Why the surprise? Is there a feeling that we overpaid for him. Didn't we bag him for a box of Snickers and pocket change?

    I don't think I'm going out on a limb when I say that Swift has a low basketball IQ. That being said, proper coaching/mentoring will increase his IQ. Not to Larry Bird level, mind you, but I'm confident he can be shaped into an effective 'system' player. JVG did this with Cato, he can do it with Swift. My only real concern is that Swift will crack under the pressure.

    Bottom line is that Swift has potential to become a good player. He's definitely not there now, but if anyone can take him to the next level it's JVG. Besides, how bad do we really have it right now? Would you rather see Swift coming off the bench or Grandpa WertherSpoon?
     
  13. monkinamr2

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    Actually, this is only half true. I remember the play clearly. Stromile was walking alongside Wesley at first but for whatever reason Wesley waived him off and Stromile turned and trotted forward. It was then that Wesley was trapped and called out to Stro for help but it was too late. Stro of course takes some blame, but why did Wes waive him off to begin with?
     
  14. tchou

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    Sorry I don't find it as funny as you. A coach's job is not limited to just on-court duties. This includes player development, team chemistry, moral support, public relations, and various other duties.

    If a player can't hit his shots, some of the reasons are because:
    1) he lacks the skill and/or development.
    2) injured or playing hurt.
    3) isn't getting good looks.
    4) isn't comfortable with offensive set.
    5) player skills doesn't match offensive requirements.

    Some of the reasons if a player can't learn/remember offensive sets:
    1) he lacks the mental capacity to.
    2) the teaching method was ineffective.
    3) the offensive sets are too complicated.
    4) lack of or miscommunication on the court.

    Blaming solely the players or the coach for lack of performance on the court is almost always idiocy. Basketball is a team sport, and the success and performance of a team is a holistic concept.
     
  15. Major

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    That's pretty funny - Bowen is our 3rd most valuable player in terms of the team doing well when he's out therem, behind our two stars. Seems like JVG is on to something!
     
  16. GATER

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    He was called a "buffoon". From the dictionary....

    buf·foon ( P ) Pronunciation Key (b-fn)
    n.
    1) A clown; a jester: a court buffoon.
    2) A person given to clowning and joking.
    3) A ludicrous or bumbling person; a fool.

    Now if you want to regard Clutch Fans as a haven for buffoons and say that all clowns have the right to do as they please, that's your prerogative. I happen to hold myself to a higher standard.

    Somehow, I just don't think Clutch Fans would get SI and Chronicle mentions if the buffoons took over. There's a reason this place is better than the rest. And it's not because we have more "jesters". :cool:
     
  17. cwebbster

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    I still dont think Swift will be our third option, or fourth or anything for that matter, nothing more than a role player.....I wish we had a legit big three like we did in the Drexler/Dream/Fatty era.....
     
  18. Pistol Pete

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    Keep trying to come up with a decent reply. You are not even close yet. I could care less what they call each other, it's when they guy lied and said that wasn't what he was doing that I decided to put my 2 cents in.

    What happened was is that some people get their panties in a wad when others express opinions they do not share. That is exactly what happened in this case.

    Also, it was his opinion that the guy was a buffon. It's not some well known fact.
     
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  19. Texas Stoke

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    Swift and Moochie's expiring contract has the potential to net the Rockets a major player sometime around the trade deadline.
     
  20. GATER

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    Not even close? That's about the only thing you've got right. I'm not even close 'cause I left you in the dust a few light years ago. Adios........
     

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