JVG thinks the Heat will be the greatest team EVER

You are right, that's why I said a chance for problems.

But for a sake of arguement, team USA/allstar games are totally different IMO cause that does not affect (at least not having a major impact) on endorsement deals/wages....The way I see it, the problem will not be wade and LBJ. The problem is going to be Bosh. You will know that the media is going to portray the team is LBJ/Wade team. Bosh is going to be the 'forgotten' one. Its slightly different with the boston situations where their guys are over the hill, a bit more mature and the coaching was terrific.

I would say that the miami big three is not there yet in maturity, purely from all the attention grabing this offseason. Anyway, if they do work out, DAMN thats going to be a scary team.

 

Check Miami@LA early this year. Wade couldn't even get one basket against Kobe one-on-one. He had to rely on picks. He did play longer minutes and got some points on bench players, but that won't happen for a playoff game.

Kobe guarded him for a full game and scored on the other end with ease, including a game winning shot. Kobe's not young, but he has really good stamina.

 

Ahh, actually I think it will be modest. Wade used to shoot 15 Ft in playoff series, LeBron too. Now they'd combine for only 25 FT.

 

All the Robert Horry teams worked :grin:

 

I am not a huge fan of this happening but honestly the only real concern is if WADE gets injured.

The way he throws around his body he is the only piece that I'd be worried about. Come on Bosh being hurt won't hurt this team THAT bad, except come playoff time, and barring some unforeseen even which Lebron turns fragile (which the way he is built I doubt will happen), he will be fine.

Fact is whether you hate the Heat or love them, this team is STACKED. Lebron is a playmaker, he got 7 assist a game every year on a Cavs team that is awful, and helped a team that would with 20 games a year without him win 60+. Wade made a Heat team that would make the Nets seem competent without him into a 50 game winner.

This team is GOOD.

The only things standing in their way of a title is:
1) Laker's height. This is a problem for every team in the league.

2) Injuries (like I said I believe Wade is one real concern if any of them).

3) A surprise team peaking, making a good move at the deadline. I believe this could be the Rockets (Yao will give them trouble who is gonna stop him big Z? ), Or it could even be someone like the Bulls, who I believe have a whole lot of talent, if they can add 1 more key piece.


I guess we will see. If I had to bet my life on it I'd bet on this team winning 2+ titles, over betting that they will win 1 or fewer titles, and I guarantee most other fans would too. Whether you like the Heat or not, they have talent, and no one can tell me they wouldn't LOVE for the Rockets and Heat to trade rosters. I'd love to have the possible chance "chemisty problems" and have 3 young superstars in their prime.

 

why are you comparing over the hill players to players in their primes ? i see you didnt mention the celtics here as it worked in the first year.

 

elite players make scrubby role players better than they are due to the fockass they create and openess these role players are, don't we remember how good Dream made people, imagine how good these role players are going to look, how can you possibly play Wade or Lebron straight up, maybe they will be susceptible to being scored on by big team, but then you still have find a way to stop them at the other end

really though if they really really want multiple titles then gunning for 72 wins doesn't really help, they need to pace themselves and manage court time and possible injuries, remember Wade is only one year removed from the wheelchair and Bosh gets niggling injuries regularly, although I am sure Lebron elbow is all good now

 

Their primary focus has been isolation because they all have been on teams where the best option was to give them the ball to either get a shot or create for others. You should look at their skill sets instead. Neither player had a problem fitting in during the Olympics. The perimiter guys can both create for others and get to the basket at will. They both can hit open shots. Bosh can hit open shots and attack the basket as well. We will see how it all meshes, but you can't predict how they will play together because neither one has ever been in a situation where they didn't have to dominate the ball, or play heavy minutes or score a bunch to keep teams in games. Less responsibility may = better play for each one.

And it's not about what the Cavs big 3 avg last year compared to this big 3. Other Cavs couldn't create shots without LeBron. Wade and Bosh can. Life will be much easier for everyone.

 

our big 3 with dream and barkley never worked in part b/c both those players needed to operate out of the lowpost in order to be most effective.

and i'm still not sold on wade and lebron meshing together seamlessly either b/c they both need the ball in their hands in iso-situations in order to be wade and lebron. too many cooks in the kitchen ruins the dish (or something like that )

 

Eh, that's the jist of it.

 

ORLY? GEE, THANKS CAPTAIN OBVIOUS!

What are you gonna tell us next, that if Gasol, Bryant, and Artest suffer serious injuries, the Lakers might not be title contenders?????


NEXT!

 

DM is in this forum.

 

This reaks of Van Gundy propaganda. Van Gundy is not a proponent of players running things. He is a coach's coach. He is an authoritarian. The whole idea of players deciding who they play for and teaming up to suit themselves goes against the fiber of what Van Gundy believes in.

I suspect he is setting the bar so high for Miami that they will fail and he will be on a propaganda mission from now on about how they have failed to meet expectations (his) and therefore are a failure. He has set the bar at, not losing two games in a row (likely they will fail this by January), over 72 wins during the regular season (likely fail by April), and the only team that can compete with them is the Lakers (so if they don't make it out of the East it is a colossal failure).

When they fail those marks, look for Van Gundy to start questioning what is going on in Mami and look for him to be "disappointed" in their performance, even if they wind up winning 65 games or whatever.

 

It will take time for Wade and LeBron to figure things out. The regular season should be long enough. The Heat won't play their best basketball until the late in the season because they are basically an expansion team (in the sense that their roster is basically from scratch besides Wade and Haslem).

Very interesting thought jopatmc.

 

Maybe he wants the Miami job......look out Spoelstra.....

DD

 

People also forget about player's Moms being seduced by teammates....apparently, it happens.

 

Being a good regular season team is not the same thing as being a good playoff team. I do think this team will be a good playoff team and a GREAT regular season team, but I don't think they are going to just waltz to a title. There are too many legit concerns with their interior defense to just hand them the title and I KNOW JVG is thinking the same thing somewhere in his balding head.

Wade and Lebron are great and all, but Bosh is going to have to step it up big time to add defense and toughness in the interior which are two things he isn't known for. This team hinges on Wade and Lebron being good enough wing defenders that teams won't get into the paint but that's a lot to ask of both your wing players to provide the bulk of the scoring load AND prevent guys from getting into the painted area every game for your team to win. I can see it to some extent through the regular season, but in the playoffs, I think that's going to be a much more difficult task when people are better prepared to play them for a 7 game series. I can see teams like Boston and Orlando giving these Heat problems.

Plus Spoelstra isn't anything special as a coach so it's really on these guys to win it for themselves and I think we have seen in the past that good coaching does make a difference which is why you see great regular season teams just get picked apart in the playoffs by these master coaches(Popavich and Jackson come to mind). Even the slightly lesser coaches like Doc Rivers and Stan Van Gundy are really smart about the changes they make in the playoffs. I just don't expect the same from Spoelstra and think that before the season's end, Riley tries to make a play to take over.

 

I don't think JVG likes the idea of LeBron and Wade teaming up with eachother, but he's a BIG believer in the greatness of star players and the importance of veteran role players with experience who know their place. I think he's pretty much sincere.

 

Am I the only one who thinks JVG has gone downhill dramatically over the past year? He used to be one of the few people on television that had a intelligent, well-thought out opinions. I think his ESPN gig has gone to his head.

I still think the guy is intelligent, but this comment just seems very un-JVG-esque. Calling a team one of the best all-time without them playing a game? Come on, you're just filling up the hype tank.

I've been very disappointed in JVG since the middle of last year; his playoff commentary was borderline irritating.

(What I'd really like to know is what tools Morey used to "predict" the 45-win season for the Heat if Bosh joined with Wade and James. I'd like to think Morey has a better opinion than an overrated, washed-up coach).

 

Who's going to guard Yao Ming?