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JVG on 790 at 4

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by benzman501, May 19, 2005.

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  1. mogrod

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    I read this and immediately thought of Sprewell. UGH!!!

    Or, on the other hand, how about Artest. :)
     
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  2. RocketFire

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    JVG said, "if we are nervous to make mistake." How do you make mistake? you make mistake by signing a FA to a bad deal, or you trade for a player and end up like Orlando. Now he also said, "if we are nervous to make mistake we can go downhill." You don't go downhill fast by signing a FA to a bad deal, but you do go down by trading your player and flirt with the chemistry.

    So we will make a trade before the Free agency. Now who we will trade for? By some reports we know JVG wants to draft a PG, and if he does draft a Pg than their is no need to trade for another PG. so no J.Kidd. SG is a spot that we might trade for. Player like Mike miller from grizz. we are set for SF. Now the big question PF. Will we trade for a PF. Its a tough one but i don't think we will trade for a PF. We have many good PF in the market this offseason. Marshall, Chandler, SAR, Swift, Evans. I don't see how we can make a trade for a good PF who is not overpaid and has great rebounding skills.

    so my guess is that we will trade for a SG.
     
  3. Aruba77

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    I thought we were already set for sf given that T-Mac doesn't want to play the 2. (I also love Mike Miller). I think the coded message is all about J-Kidd. JVG thinks Kidd is the best pg in the league, and I agree. Depending on how many more years he has left on his contract, we might have to take the chance. I for one, am mixed about this, but I think Kidd is worth max money for the next year or two (after that, who knows). We don't know what it's like to have a pg that can distribute the ball. We've never had one (at least not in the last 15 years).
     
  4. RocketForever

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    Why Houston can always get the good centers but no luck in PGs?
     
  5. Fegwu

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    I think I have figured it out. Nirvana.

    JVG must have worked for the CIA and KGB. Wow! Now let me run this by my brain over and over again to see if it makes any damn sense before I embarass myself.

    This is good stuff.....Key words....

    1. Top 4
    2. Steve, Cat, Cato (compliments......before "betrayal"....whatever it takes to get better....top 4)
    3. Challenging
    4. Nervous
    5. Chemistry
    6. Prioritization
    7. Dangerous (could backfire.....not be detered by the possibility of a mistake)
    8. Increase (talent level)


    Is anyone thinking or seing what I am seeing?

    If I only put in so much mental work when he talked about financial flexibility I would forecasted the whole nature of Motay's trade.

    Let me make sleep on this and make sure it all makes sense.
     
  6. Kim

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    Darius Miles baby.

    Oh please let it be Darius Miles.

    He has Scottie Pippen potential written all over him.

    Unfortunately, it's the good and bad potential.

    But damn, it'd be nice to have Darius Pippen along side Mac Jordan.
     
  7. Kenrui

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    :D We got the same idea. Yeah! Ron Atest
     
  8. haven

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    Darius Miles? His D isn't half as good as Pippen's. Pippen didn't have a greaet jump shot, but he was smart. Miles isn't.

    In fact, the only similarities I see are (a) athleticism and (b) body type.
     
  9. Kim

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    Miles has the atheletic tools to become a great Defender. I said potential; I know Pippen, perenial 1st team all NBA-Defense, at his peak is light years ahead of Miles, but Miles is no slouch on D. He effectively guarded Steve Francis and T-Mac. His D is good enough to shut down the quickness of PG's and the length of 3's and he can matchup with tall and atheletic 4's too.

    had rebounding highs this year of 12 and 13
    had assist high game of 8
    had a 6 steal game and two 5 block games
    and of course a 47pt game vs Denver

    Miles is a multifaceted player who can help the Rockets in so many ways. Against the Mavs, Miles would have been guarding Dirk, and T-Mac could have been shutting down Stackhouse/Finley.

    Again, he's not the smartest player, but that isn't permanent. He's only 23 and went to the NBA straight out of High School. He had a career high 3pt % last year at 0.348 and he didn't take many at all, like 1 or 2 a game at most, meaning he's not that dumb on offense. He attacks the lane and gets a lot of tip ins and hustle plays and can run the break too. He's no scrub that has 1 specialty and one breakout game as the beneficiary of another playmaker (ala Scott Padgett, who I think is awesome). Miles is a legit player with great tools and Super Potential.

    And for all the crap things he's done, here are some good ones:

    Darius Miles Makes Community Assists
    December 2004
    # Trail Blazers Host Holiday Express
    November 2004
    # Ninth Annual Harvest Dinner
    September 2004
    # Miles Visits Community Center
    March 2004
    # Cheeks and Kersey Join Alumni Team
    # Portland Elementary School Finishes Blazers Book Trilogy
    # Blazers Street Jam Kickoff
    February 2004
    # Black History Month

    [​IMG]
     
  10. smoothie

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    1. doesn't want to mess with the chemistry.


    2. wants to increase talent level.

    3. wants to trade before signing anyone.
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    1. ok, the chemistry guys on the team are: JB, Jho, sura, wesley and deke.

    2. the positions that killed us were PF and SG. we need to upgrade the talent level at these positions without making the team upset about losing wesley or Jho. IMO the 4 spot can be upgraded just by giving Jho a backup. the 2 spot already has a great backup (JB) so i think wesley is gone.

    3. reason being that if we trade for a PF and then a guy like marshall or SAR wants to come here we are assed out. with so many FA 4's and 1's I am set on believing that the trade will be for a 2, it will involve wesley and maybe spoon to make room for a FA or rookie 4.

    the trade can also be for a 1 is we move sura to the 2. trading wesley and sura will damage the teams chemistry.
     
  11. tigermission1

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    OK...

    I KNEW IT!!! JVG is going to trade Yao Ming/Sura for Kevin Garnett/Cassell ! :D

    Either that or he is going to pull a heist unlike any other in history and acquire Artest for our expiring contracts;)

    Damn though, JVG must have been a KGB agent back in the day! The guy has some serious skillz with "code words"!:cool:
     
  12. dragonsnake

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    To me, what JVG means is we should not rush to sign our own FA to keep our GREAT chemistry. We ought to sign and trade an impact player that can create his own shots before signing any FA, our own or others. Guard or Forward, good guy or bad guy, it does not matter, as long as the player is still relatively young with great talent/potential that can growth with T-mac and Yao in a couple of years, We should take chance. In my opinion, players such as Bonzi Wells, D-Miles and Kwame Brown fit perfectly in his criteria.

    Once we get that player, We then focus on FA. If the player we get is a guard such as Bonzi, we can use our entire MLE to sign a forward such as SAR or Swift, if the payer we got is a forward such as D-miles or Kwame, then we could use our MLE to get a guard such as Boby Simmons.

    If we address our need at PF from FA first, we may end up paying much higher price to trade for an impact guard since everyone in the league all pretty much knows we are one guard away to complete our roster and the price could be very high.

    The other concern on FA is current NBA labor negotiation situation. Teams won't be able to sign any FA if the new CBA can be reached. If we hold and wait to sign FA first, we may miss some trade opportunities.

    Bottom line, we'll have two new starters at the beginning of traing camp
     
  13. Fegwu

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    Bonzi Wells enter Jeff McGinniss (sp?)
     
  14. Deuce

    Deuce Context & Nuance

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    That's interesting! Especially since FA begins around July 15th or so (taking the labor situation out of the equation for the moment here).

    If that's the case then JVG wants to make a trade BEFORE June 30th when the moritorium on league moves is put into place starting July 1st.

    I can see why he would want to make a trade before the FA period begins, because he wants to know what parts are on his team before FA starts and knows who he wants to target.
     
  15. Deuce

    Deuce Context & Nuance

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    Will, I think you are dead on with your analysis. While we all love the chemistry on the team as it stands now, the team probably has gone as far as it can with its current talent level. I dont think there is any question we are going to have to be bold and take some "chances" to get some players. Dont be surprised if JVG look to some players that he is familiar with.

    Honestly, I wouldnt be surprised at all if JVG take a LONG hard look at Latrell Sprewell. We could probably easily acquire him in a S&T for Wesley. Sprewell is a huge wild card, but at least it is a player JVG knows well and a player that might respond VERY positively towards JVG much like Mutombo did.
     
  16. jump shooter

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    Agree with you Deuce, that's why it would not surprise me to see the rocks make a stab at trying to aquire Kurt Thomas from the Knicks maybe with a future pick and change.
     
  17. Jerry36

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    JVG talk about acquiring players in the age range of Yao and Tracy. Sprewell doesn't fit that range.
     
  18. Jerry36

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    Sprewell is closer to joining a nursing home than he is in joining the Rockets.
     
  19. Plowman

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    I agree,Spree looks like he's almost done.
     
  20. dragonsnake

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    I don't think signing short term contract with players that has something to prove while have some talents could cause problem. If the deal is right, Spree could end up be a steal for us.
     

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