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JVG offense for the 1st unit, Adelman offense for the 2nd unit

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by hotblooded, Nov 10, 2008.

  1. thewaterox

    thewaterox Member

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    To be honest guys I don't think Adelman has the players to run his system. Not with our starting unit -

    Mac is not a motion guy he's a jump shooter who will not drive to the basket in crucial situations to save his life.

    Yao was a good passer but we haven't seen that Yao since the Rudy T days

    In Sac town Adelman had Bibby a PG that could get his own shot and create for others now he has Rafer who can't shoot so no one guards him

    Scola ok one out of 5

    Artest a high energy player with above average passing skills yet he will dominate the ball and turn into dribble the shot clock out Ron at times.

    Rick needs to own up this team will never run his offense he needs to call the play from the side line the way JVG did that's what these guys respond to. Hate to say it but we need Avery Johnson in Houston and I'm not completely joking either.
     
  2. clutch citizen

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    Tracy McGrady, Luis Scola, Ron Artest, Yao Ming...

    Luis Scola and Yao Ming clog the area down low. yao, obviously, because he is the focal point of the offense in the post.

    Luis Scola roams around the basket waiting for passes, or preparing for the rebound.

    Ron Artest likes to post up as well. He also likes attacking the basket.

    Tracy McGrady is making more of an effort to drive to the basket.

    4/5 of the current starting lineup have one thing in mind for the most part: get to the basket.

    Rafer Alston spends time on the perimeter, but he doesn't hit his shots.

    My point is that there is not enough basketball for the current starting lineup.

    The starting lineup should be either:

    Brooks/McGrady/Battier/Landry/Yao

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    Alston/McGrady/Artest/Landry/Yao

    Scola moves to the bench because he has the post skills to be yao's backup. Plus, Landry's jumpshot is legit. That creates space for yao to work in the low post. He's not a bad rebounder either

    Brooks and Battier is a good combo because of the drive and dish ability of Brooks.

    Alston can run the offense and settle Ron down when he gets carried away with shot selection.
     
  3. Ziggy

    Ziggy QUEEN ANON

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    Back to the initial notion. That would be one of the most devastating concoctions in sports. It would be like a football team coming out in triple option, then switching to a spread passing attack.

    Teams can't prepare for that. Combine with our defense, FT shooting, (and pray to God rebounding comes back), and you have one hell of a big headache to deal with when you play the Rockets.

    We would be the type of team you can't make mistakes against.
     
  4. Shaud

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    They just seem confused. I see T-mac throwing his hands up a lot like he doesn't know what play is being called.

    Then last night against the Lakers I saw T-mac and Artest post up in the same area right behind each other.
     
  5. jopatmc

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    When Battier gets healthy, I think I'd really like to see the Brooks, McGrady, Battier, Yao, Landry lineup as the starters. Landry just seems to be growing his game, now he's got the nice nice nice 17-18 footer to go along with monster hops down low. And Brooks just ignites our offense with his scoring. He should have the privilege of playing alongside McGrady with McGrady playing the pseudo point guard role and Brooks moving off the ball since McGrady is so poor at off the ball movement. Let Brooks shake free and deliver him the pass and let him do his jitterbug drives and quick open accurate 3 point shooting.

    Then you bring Scola, Artest, Rafer, Barry, and Hayes off the bench. Talk about the goonies. That's the goon bunch right there. Are you kidding me? Scola and Artest going up against team's second units? It should be no contest.
     
  6. durvasa

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    I wouldn't mind such an experiment, but I really doubt Adelman benches Rafer for Brooks. He likes Aaron off the bench as an energizer.
     
  7. hotblooded

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    For some reason, both JVG and Adelman love Rafer as the starter. So it must mean the rest of us fans are missing something.

    Aaron been a small guy has alot of endurance, and Can play 40 minutes without a problem. So I dont think we are trying to conserve him at all by playing rafer. Adelman probably likes Rafer's size more than anything, and maybe his height he is able to disrupt the average point guard.

    Both aaron and rafer become trigger happy sometimes, but I'd rather aaron shooting running jumpers and tear drops and 3s than rafer
     
  8. tycoonchip

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    The thing is JVG really brought defence and unity to this team. Rick is a great coach but JVG really did know how to use a big man. That's the issue i have right now with this team. It is not just Tmac that looks lost out there but so does Yao alot of the times. This team does have alot of talent but the coach definitely needs to learn how to utilize the talent he has. Heck I am about ready to say bring back our Taco Cabana man Rudy T.
     
  9. Sym0™

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    WE need to get T-mac Motivated.
     
  10. hotblooded

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    I know you were here 2 years ago when the board was full of "FIRE JVG, HE DOES NOT KNOW HOW TO RUN AN OFFENSE"

    Adelman is known as a people's coach and everyone love to play under him. I thought that is suppose to bring unity

    IN terms of coaching big men, I thought the word on the street is that the days of the dominant center is over? Shouldnt we look for coaches who can adapt? Isnt that why we hired Adelman? because JVG wouldnt adapt?
     
  11. killlogan

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    I can't agree more. Maybe tmac needs a wheelchair because his two legs are two thin to stand his BIG ass. why not waste a little bit less food and get a little bit lighter?
     
  12. Dream lover

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    The main problem is that this team was built for a JVG offense, not an RA offense. That's why Mike James couldn't get it together here, he was a catch and shoot or drive to the basket guy, not motion offense. Neither Yao or T-Mac is suited for Ricks system, his system needs smaller more mobile units. He had that in Portland and Sacramento. The only other real big man he ever had was Duckworth, and he stunk. Everyone of his centers were outside players, Brad Miller is an outside shooter, Chris Webber was an outside shooter and they played at the high post. Yao is not built for the high post.

    T-Mac needs to control the ball to be effective, mainly isolations or pick and roll where he can either keep the ball or dish it out. In RA's system he has to move a lot without the ball which is not in his nature.

    Artest is similar, he can catch and shoot but usually needs to have the ball to be effective.

    All three of the big three are better suited in a JVG style offense. The only guys that are doing good in this offense are the young guys that have been drafted or brought in. Carl Landry, AB and Scola are big examples of this.

    Think about this, Houston didn't start doing better last season until he scrapped his offense and put in basic schemes for them. 22 wins in a row didn't come through and RA offensive scheme. They are having the same problems this year with it. This doesn't mean RA's offense is bad, he's had success with it, but this team should have been rebuilt when he came in and we were to close to winning for that to happen. To be honest he would have been more suited to the players in Phoenix than here. We needed to keep JVG on for at least another two years before we scrapped it all or needed to bring in another guy who had similar offensive schemes.
     
  13. across110thstreet

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    with JVG, at least we knew our identity.
     
  14. shakegod

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    we have use up JVG's inheritance,now is Adelman's,not only the 2nd unit
     

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