he's not guarded as the best player though. can u imagine him being doubled at the high post or low post? eventually teams will play him tougher and tougher if he played more minutes. if manu played more minutes throughout ONE season, he'll wear down man. that's why even in the playoffs last yr, the max he averaged in one series was 33 minutes.
Mark Jackson said that "Ginobli would have gotten out of the first round by now. I can promise you that, Sir" to JVG. I couldn't believe JVG did respond by telling Jackson that if Ginobli replaced Tmac on all of the those teams that didn't get past the first round they would not have even made the playoffs. For all that Tmac is not it is sad to see the media not give him his props has a franchise, first option offensive player. Something Ginobli *may* be (personally I don't think he is) but he has never been in the position to prove it. McGrady has done it nearly his whole career and for several years was arguably the best in the game at carrying a team.
I don't agree that he isn't guarded like he's a star. I think he's actually better at handling double teams than T-Mac, because he's so masterful at splitting or going around them.
I don't think so. As many people already mentioned hes just as fragile as Tmac and not many believe he could sustain playing that many minutes. Your right though, his numbers would be higher if he played more minutes throughout the season, but he doesn't. The spurs were forced to play him that many minutes because you just can't afford to lose games in the western conference. Tmac has been able to play at one of the highest levels in the NBA throughout his career, not just one month out of a long season. Throughout that month Manu still had the luxury of playing with the Big Fundamental, while Tmac has the luxury of playing with Rafer Alston as his sidekick.
u really think he'll be doubled if he was in the high/low post? u really think his defender would leave him to double team their big guy as much as ginobili's guy does? ginobili has AT LEAST 2-3 spot up 3s a game where he's WIDE WIDE open. again, i agree ginobili is a star. but he's not a superstar. he has never been counted on to carry a team BY HIMSELF. when he played without parker, he still had tim duncan. tmac is doing this with rafer alston as his 2nd best player. BIG BIG difference.
Through March 4th, Ginobili played 1066 minutes with Duncan on the court, and 607 minutes without him. With Duncan, he's averaged 23.7 points, 6.3 rebounds, and 5.6 assists per 40 minutes. Without Duncan, he's averaged 30.3 points, 6.3 rebounds, and 6.4 assists per 40 minutes. So, I think Ginobili would be just fine in terms of individual stats playing without Duncan.
how many of those are with tony parker? tony's penetration gives ginobili a lot of room to operate also. they have a 3 star system, u do know that right? and per 40 minutes is overrated. ginobili will NEVER average more than 35 minutes a game for the rest of his career. there's a reason for that. so ur saying per 40 minutes, he's just as good as lebron james, who's putting up those stats on ACTUAL 40 minutes played.
That's fine, and a good point, but I'm missing something here. These are the stats in game, right? How does he only average 20.7 points a game then? Just asking...
he split a pretty nasty double team against the suns this afternoon. i would agree that he is not doubled as often as t-mac though.
jvg responded to the 2nd round comment. he kind of huffed when jackson said it and then jackson said "you have a rebuttal?" and jvg said "yeah, i have BIG rebuttal, but it would be all bleeps." and then the game got a point they had to stop talking but jvg made it clear he thought jackson was crazy with that comment.
manu plays with 2 all stars in parker and duncan. duncan gets doubled down low and guards stay honest on parker because of his penetration. defenders also stay with bowen/finley/barry because they can all hit 3s. manu basically operates on single coverage. give him a team and let him work on double/triple teams, i dont think hed be as eye popping as he is now.
Manu cannot handle playing 40 minutes a night. If you don't have tony parker, he takes over all the perimeter scoring load. He blows up for about 2-3 weeks, getting insane numbers (back-to-back 37 point games) but after it he goes on a slump and is very obviously tired. He can sustain an MVP-level play for less than a month before he starts to wear down and has to go back down to ~30 minutes a game. That's not a knock on the guy, he clearly is a great player and very clutch, he just can't handle being #1 all the time.
Hey speaking of JVG, he was calling out Kyle Korver for copying someone's quote or something. Anyone catch what he was talking about?
Popovich limits his minutes to 30 a night. Amongst players who've played at least 500 on the season, only LeBron, Kobe, Amare, and Carmelo score more per minute.
I mean WHY DO I CARE WHAT M.JACKSON, VAN GUNDY, BARKLEY or anyone has to say about the ROCKETS when I have my own eyes and enough knowledge about Rockets and no HATE.
Those are throughout the season, I thought we were talking about his month of supernatural play where he supposedly carried this team on his back when Parker was out. Not to mention per 40 minutes stats are worthless for a player who hasn't proved he can play anywhere near those minutes for a prolonged period of time. You ever think Manu is so effective because he is able to keep his minutes low? Stats can be interpreted many different ways also. It seems to me you interpret those stats as Manu not needing Duncan to play to play well, while I interpret those stats as Manu having more opportunities to jack up shots and make plays when Duncan is off the floor. I also don't see what posting stats on how Manu plays without Duncan on the floor proves. Those stats don't say anything about the double teams and open shots Duncan creates for teammates or his imposing paint defense throughout the game that helps the Spurs win.
