JVG: Coaching and Players : JVG Type Players

Actually, Rockets fan since when they first came over from San Diego in 1972 I believe. Family season ticket holder up through the late 1990's. I have seen 2 championships over those 35 years, have seen more losing than winning seasons, and I am and will always be a Rockets fan. Win or lose. Your attitude toward the Rockets in your post disgusts me and the reply demonstrates who is closer to 12 years old.

 

No, that's not what he said. Get it right. He said he would play the best players in the team. If RG was one if the best, he would play him. You forgot the qualifier.

The problem with JVG is he wouldn't have played RG to let him become on of the best players on the team. The only way RG would have been playing if he was one of the best players on the team during practice. That is the qualifier he left off. They gotta prove they are one of the best "in practice".

 

Guys -

I'm usually the one throwing out the vitriol but come on... take a frickin' pill already. As angry as I am with VG, CD AND Les, I don't think we need to go after one another like this.

RKH-dog... it's totally Solid's choice if he want's to hang up his keyboard for a while. That's no cause for "quitter" comments like the lame-ass cowards in Congress throw around at each other....

Solid -

I've enjoyed your posts for years and would ask that you stick around the board. I'm been mostly absent from posting for a while but lurking none-the-less. If you go, there are others who I'm sure will miss the back and forth.

As for this thread, I'm totally down with DD, Gater and R-River. I called Carl Dukes show on KBME the other day to suggest JVG belongs in World Cup Soccer where he can fantasize all day long about scoreless ties.

There's no place in today's NBA for a coach with such outright contempt for offensive basketball. I'm pretty sure that was the entire point when Dr. Naismith nailed the peach-basket to the wall !!

 

well, if solid was just saying he is going to hang up the keyboard for awhile, thats one thing. What got to me was he is talking about checking out as a fan because he feels the rox have made bad management decisions:

"I couldn't agree more. I am a long long time Rockets fan, and I am "seriously" considering checking out for good. It is just sports, but several decades of thick and mostly thin is hard to walk away from, BUT this last idiotic move was the last straw."

I guess I am just reacting to the posters threatening to quit on the team because player personnel decisions don't go there way. I'm not a fan that way.

 

I'm totally right there with you, dude. I think JVG handcuffed the team with this inexcusable trade. (And please don't try to tell me the trade wasn't about him.) You want to short-change our future, Gundy, due to your preference in players? Fine. But win NOW or you're out.

And solid, don't go, man. I enjoy your posts. Hang in there with the rest of us jaded fans...

 

Honestly i think this was a HORRIBLE TRADE. you always weigh possible upside of a player like Rudy Gay who would learn from one of the Top 10 players in the game when healthy to learn from. Rudy has all the tools it takes to be an all star but lacks motivation. Personally i think he plays soft as he was afraid of being hurt and ruining his "mill-ticket". At least get next years first round draft pick involved in the deal or something, i hope there is another team involved in this trade or that Stro refuses to show in Funkytown again.

JVG is a stubborn when it comes to his way it seems, Shane Battier is a Good Player who has the possiblity to be alot better than he is now actually. But acquisitions like Marc Jackson, Charlie Ward, Oakley etc. have put this team in a very bad situation. I expect alot more action in the offseason. But from what it looks like right now i'm not sure if i want to see alot of it.

 

Rockets-R-Us and VerceySux, I just need a break, I am taking this stuff way too seriously. I remember when Jeff and even Clutch had to do the same. Thanks for your encouragement, I needed it. But, the more I read the board the more angry I get, like Clutch wrote today, the more he thinks about the deal the more hideous it becomes. JVG has got to go before he ruins the careers of TMac and Ming. They deserve better. Take care and thanks again. Signing off for now.

 

A practice time Rybo hasn't done much good for us my man. Why is it that we have all the role players locked up to long-term deals? Why couldn't our idiot coach just let us lose the game to Minnesota? To all of those who doubted, do you see how this came back to bite us with all kinds of venom? I really agree that TMac, and Ming deserve better. It's really disheartening to see them always play all out, and even injured, yet still come up short. We really needed the youth on this team. As some others have said, it's okay if we would have taken Brewer, or even Carney who I'm sure McGrady would have advocated. It stings that while we ended up with a solid vet, we're much further than that, and need an infusion of young talent, rather than these solid vets. Especially when these solid vets can't make jump shots when it matters, that's my take on it, feel free to agree or disagree.

 

Don't forget, the Rockets are a profit-making organization, not your family. Only your friends and family deserve your unconditional loyalty; everyone else has to earn your approval.

As a fan of the Rockets, you need to hold the ownership as accountable as the players or the coach. We fans are the only people who can scare a wealthy owner -- by staying away. Look at the Chicago Cubs for what happens when a team has a huge and blindly loyal base of fans: the franchise profits heavily no matter what happens on the field, so what incentive is there to field a competitive team? None of course, which is why the Cubs have been sucking for decades.

If you want the Rockets to improve, then you as a fan must be ready to hold the owner's feet to the fire. And about the only way you can do it, unless you are as influential as Jack Nicholson, is to threaten to stay away.

 

You make it sound like the Rockets management is not trying to field a winner for the fans. The Rockets have been at or over the cap for I don't know how long. This owner more than most in the past, has been willing to take risks and spend the money to get whatever the GM/coaches want to field the best product possible. Over the years, they have shown their willingness to make the bold move or trade to improve the team. I remember the fan reaction when Otis Thorpe was traded for Clyde after the first ring. A lot of fans were upset that we don't have a true power forward, how can we win without a power forward? Are they crazy? Well, we all know how that turned out. Who would have thought Horry would set the new trend at the 4 which is so in vogue today? (I was wrong on that one)

All I'm saying is we have it good here in Houston. An owner who wants to win, stays out of the limelight, a coaching staff that won't tolerate the bad player attitudes/laziness/unprofessionalism that is so prevalent today. The reason for this particular trade was to win now. I tend to agree Shane may help us win now better than Stro ever will, and Gay is a 19 year old kid with reported lapses in mental focus who may not pay off for several years, if at all.

We can agree to disagree about whether we got the right value, but let us all agree the Rockets want to WIN NOW! That is not in question, unlike some franchises.

I may not agree with every single trade or decision they make, but I don't question the fact they are diligently trying to improve the team and win a championship. And when they do make a mistake in judging a player (and which team hasn't blown it a more than a few times) I get over it and move on. This ain't no exact science. We aren't privy to their behind the scenes evaluation of players Basketball IQ, health related issues, player interviews, team chemistry and such. The rockets have all the first-hand info on each player involved, we as fans don't.

We all value different opinions and constructive criticism of the team and what we would do differently. It just frustrates the h--- out of me over the past few days when I read some of the long-time clutch fans I respect on this site threatening to take their ball and go home because they don't agree with a personnel move. That doesn't seem very "clutch fan" to me. Sorry I didn't sugar-coat it but thats just my opinion.

 

In any case, there's little use making a decision whether to give up on the Rockets for good now, in the offseason. Who knows, they could have a great season and we might never hear from Rudy Gay again. Either way, it's silly to let it torture you.

I mean, if we'd made the playoffs like we were all CERTAIN that we would last season, we could have gotten bounced out of the first round again. Then we wouldn't have been anywhere near Gay in the draft and we'd still have all the same holes to fill this offseason. It could always be worse. There are lots of coulda-woulda-shouldas out there, I guess the bottom line is either enjoy the ups and downs or change the channel. No need to agonize over draft picks. No doubt there are plenty of Mavericks boards on the ol' web.

 

Supposedly Larry Brown wants to take a year off, meaning a return to coaching next season. Not that I want him as our next coach. But he was apparently Les Alexander's first choice the last time.

 

Didn't McGrady advocate the trade for Battier in the chronicle article? Am I to believe that T-Mac is just towing the company line for JVG? Why would he? I will go wih T-Macs opinion over nay sayer posters on this board, of course taking cautious consideration over what he thought would be a good move with Stromwile not withsatnding....

 

People who thought Jeff could change have hit that rude awakening. We're at a point of no return.

The players are taking a wait and see approach. I guess it's better to follow their example.

I hope we blast past the first and second rounds. If not, hopefully Les has the guts to fire the him and let CD vanish completely.