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Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by BubbaMac, May 21, 2003.

  1. spiral

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    i didn't read a damn thing you said except the last line about how rudy's a good defensive coach? uh sure. why you believe rudy t is a good coach, i'll never know.
     
  2. CrazyJoeDavola

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    Of coure you didn't read the rest. We know why. You can't back up your theories. Just like you couldn't back up the following theories:

    "Eddie Griffin would be a better option at center in the East than Kurt Thomas"

    "Eddie Griffin is a better player than Kurt Thomas because he blocks .2 more shots a game and is one inch taller"

    "Eddie Griffin is a better player than Kurt Thomas because all Kurt Thomas does is hit wide open shots"

    and my two personal faves:

    "The NY media will hype Eddie Griffin as the heir apparent to Patrick Ewing"

    "Eddie Griffin will help the Knicks draw more fan intereste and sell tickets."


    I guess finishing top 8 in both points allowed and opponent FG% carry no weight in your mind. And that is with a below average defensive PG, a below average devensive PF and an average defensive center. We might have the worst defensive bench, talent wise, in the NBA (save Cato) Yeah, I would attribute much of our success on D to Rudy. This team is not blessed with alot of individual defensive talent. Rudy did a fantastic job this year of mixing up our zone and man to man schemes. If there was only one bright spot this year, it was our defensive performance.

    Rudy has always been a pretty good defensive coach (going back to our championship years) save the Barkley and rebuilding eras.
     
  3. Live

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    Good point.

    Rudy's offense may cause heartburn, but his teams are usually solid defensively. And that's with (WARNING: SARCASM) defensive-minded PGs like Kenny Smith, Sam Cassell, Matt Maloney, and Francis leading the way.
     
  4. DCkid

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    I don't think he's going senile. An isolation occurs when all the players, except for the one with the ball, move to one side of the floor. This rarely happened this season. For one thing, almost every single offensive play the Rockets ran this season was started with a half-assed pick. How could it be isolation if there was always a pick being set?

    To be honest, there were more isolations for Yao Ming and Mo Taylor than for our guards. One player would drop it into the post and then run the baseline to the other side of the floor, leaving one of those two guys "isolated" with their man. Rudy all but eliminated the guard isolations this season.

    I think you're getting isolation confused with ball-hoggedness or lack of movement.
     
  5. spiral

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    now i know why they call you CRAZY joedavola. cause you're crazy if you think i can't back up the fact that jeff van gundy is a way better coach. everybody knows that the rockets had better players at every position against the knick team they beat for the championship and they barely won, it went 7 games. the fact that it took that many games to beat such a pathetic team shows how incompetant rudy t is. he needs all stars and veterans at practically every position and he still has a hard time winning. the knick team that took the rockets 7 games had a cba player in starks as its star and an aging ewing who couldn't really compete with the dream. and the rockets had sam cassell who was a really clutch player, and robert horry (clutch), otis thorpe, vernon maxwell, and kenny smith and matt bullard or whatever his name was. mario elie was good too. that was one deep team.

    oh and by the way, a lot of the things you pointed out in your quote that you said i couldn't prove were sarcastic remarks dumba$$.
     
  6. Toast

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    Not that I wanna get involved in your little p!ssing match, but I just think it's funny you still haven't figured out that Van Gundy was one of Pat Riley's assistant coaches in 1994.
     
  7. spiral

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    dumba$$, do you know how to read? i was talking about how incompetant rudy t is based on his coaching performance in that series.

    i figured out riley coached that team when i remembered that riley ditched the knicks the following season after they lost to the rockets in the finals resulting in people in nyc calling him pat the rat.

    i remember seeing riley and his slick hair and armani suit leaving in a dejected look after his pathetic team lost in game 7.
     
  8. CrazyJoeDavola

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    Hilarious. 1) Van Gundy was not the head coach back then and 2) That team still lost to Rudy's team. You are discrediting Rudy for beating a team that Van Gundy never coached in order to support your theory that Van Gundy is a superior coach to Rudy!!! Amazing!!!

    As far as talent levels. I don't buy it.

    Oakley was pretty much the equal of Thorpe. Charles Smith was about equal to Horry. Starks actually was a heck of a defensive player and had better stats than Max did that year. Harper and Smith were a wash. With the exception of Olajuwon and Ewing (who both had pretty comparable years), where is this talent difference you speak of? Those two teams were almost mirror images of each other, talent wise, with NY being slightly better on D and the Rockets being slightly better on O.

    You were serious with those Griffin arguements and you know it. You gave ALL of those reasons as proof that the Knicks would be willing to trade Kurt Thomas and a lotto pick for Griffin (in fact you lied by saying that Carol Dawson said that a Griffin/Thomas deal was offered by NY, when there is no proof that happened (and couldn't have happened because it would never work salary wise)).
     
  9. spiral

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    you know, i would argue this, but i don't have to prove nothing to a crackhead.
     
  10. CrazyJoeDavola

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    You would argue but you can't because all you have are outlandish theories and misguided information.

    Our of curiousity, how does it feel to be rebuked by a crackhead?
    ;) :D
     
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    Joe, don't forget Anthony Mason in his prime was on that team. The 95' Knicks were a HELL of a good team, Spiral.
     
  12. spiral

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    i know they had anthony mason, another cba player, the knicks coaching staff taught defense to and improved. doesn't that just prove how good riley was? and if riley can teach defense, so can van gundy cause van gundy learned from him. the knicks had very few players who could hit the three on a consistent basis. their guards were clearly inferior to the rockets and the rockets were clearly superior in every phase except coaching. when riley jumped ship and went to the heat, the knicks still kept their consecutive winning playoff seasons streak. they hardly missed a beat without riley. showing how seamless a transition it was proves that van gundy is every bit the coach riley was.
     
  13. spiral

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    see, even you admit you're a crackhead. now, for what reason would I argue with a crackhead?:D :rolleyes:
     
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    Here we go again ...............

    That year, the Knicks had a better 3PT% than the Rockets did!! (35% to 33%). ;)

    Lets talk about backcourt talent. That year, Greg Anthony averaged 8 pts, 5 assists and 1.5 steals OFF THE BENCH! Cassell was at 7 pts, 3 assists and less than 1 steal. (and yes, there is no doubt Cassell is a better player now than Anthony ever was .... I am talking about the production THAT year)

    Starks had a better year than Max (better shooter (% wise, only slightly though), scorer (6 PPG more) and passer).

    Harper wasn't quite as efficient as Kenny as far as offense (Harper was no slouch), but Harp was FAR superior to Smith on D (Harper might be on of the all time great defensive PGs). Ask anyone who they would want (in their prime) as their starting PG, and every single person (besides you) would say "Derek Harper".

    Clearly inferior??? lmao
     
  15. spiral

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    you're one delusional crackhead. where you see a great team, i see great coaching and a team inferior in talent. i'm not even checking the stats cause i don't argue seriously with crackheads. cassell in even back then, was a knick killer, the guy hit clutch shots and killed the knicks. i remember those daggers he hit vividly. he put the nail in the coffin. the rockets were also in my opinion more athletic than the knicks were. there's no question olajuwon was more athletic than ewing and the dream was a better passer and defensive player than ewing. in head to head matchups, i distinctly remember the dream doing better. mad max was one of the clutchest shooters, i've ever seen. i saw that guy hit this miracle three to win some games. that's something mr. choke artist john starks would not know how to do. starks shot 3-17 in that game. he always goes cold. he was wide open on numerous occasions. if the knicks had better overall offensive players, they would have killed the rockets and made them pay for giving them all those open shots. another illustration of the holes in rudy t's so called defense when he plays against teams like dallas.
     
  16. CrazyJoeDavola

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    Apparently you never watched Maxwell too often. He had PLENTY of 3-17 games and would also fail in the clutch. Starks and Maxwell were mirror images of each other. In fact, Starks had a clutch game where he absolutely destroyed Max (Game 5 or Game 6). They were almost the exact same player.

    I love it how you give Riley and Van Gundy so much credit for losing while you discredit Rudy for winning. Your theories are so ass backwards it is almost incomprehensible. Amazing.

    Whats next? Brian Hill was a better coach than Rudy because Orlando almost won a game in the 1995 Finals??? ;)
     
  17. Easy

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    Spiral = JVG? :eek:
     
  18. BmwM3

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    Here's a qoute by Spiral in the college forum.

    If he wasn't being sarcastic, shows you how much he knows about basketball!!
     
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    Everyone knows that '94 championship team was Olajuwon and 4 role players on the court. But then again, yeah, Carl Herrera and Charles Jones were definitely better than Anthony Mason. Ewing was #6 in the league in scoring that year, Oakley was #7 in rebounding, but we had Robert Horry, so I guess that evens everything out.

    Aside from the general Houston area, no one wanted to see us even in the Finals, 'cause we played a slow "Ugly ball" game of defense, clock management, and relying on Olajuwon to create something on offense. If we had so much talent and athleticism, why did we just bang it down into the half court instead of relying on this athleticism you think we had so much of? If our guards were so superior, why were there constant offseason rumors of us trying to acquire a point guard like Gary Payton and even (Lord knows why) Rod Strickland?

    But the biggest laugh is how you claim that as an assistant coach in 94, Van Gundy was a superior coach to Rudy T -- who happened to lead his team to a championship that year :rolleyes:
     

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