JVG and accountability - or lack thereof

Firstly, Bonzi Wells is fragile. That's obvious.

Secondly, are you implying that all championship coaches pull their players and yell at them on sideline like Popovich? He has his style. It's not the only way to win and build a championship team.

 

Problem with this is that the Rockets played a good first quarter. They actually came out with energy. Why would you take them out in the third with the game so close? You take the starters out for 2 minutes and the lead could of easily turn to a 15-20 point deficit. We have seen the bench give up this many points before at the end of games. I think this is an overreaction more than anything. They will be fine come playoff time.

 

Not all NBA coaches but certainly a few of the better ones will pull their starters for bench players to give their team a better chance to win. Avery will do it in a heart beat. Last night the Hawks had a sound plan to beat the Rockets they attacked our small guards and out rebounded the Rockets.

Joe Johnson lit up Shane all night and he had no chance of defending him why not give Snyder or even stay with your precious 8 man rotation and let T-mac guard the guy from time to time. Mr. JVG really needs to have a plan B from time to time.

 

Point here is no matter what JVG needs to give his starters a break during the games and allow his not used to players to spell the starters for a little while. Who cares what JVG's wife thinks of rookies.

 

Hehe .

 

The game was always within single digits. I don't think any coach, certainly not any of the good ones, would overturn their normal rotation unless their team was getting blown out.

And JVG trusts his players far more than the fans do. That's a good thing, and his players appreciate it. I believe there was an article in the Chronicle a month or so back where they talked about that.

 

it is good that jvg trusts his players, and i understand him wanting to stick with them to have them learn how to play and maintain focus at all times. i just hope that if we find ourselves in an elimination game and certain players obviously haven't brought it or are just struggling, jvg's trust doesn't come back to haunt us.

 

i agree to a certain point. THe pop/jvg relationship you made is a ok, but you have to consider the teams talent as well.

regardless, i do think jvg does and will hold them accountable (stromile comes to mind). The issue is timing of the decision, imo.

 

The score was misleading in this one because is never that close. The Rockets were on the wrong side of the game momentum all night. If trust is such a sacred thing why not extend some of that trust to guys on the bench especially when your starters are getting lit up or can't throw it in the ocean.

JVG kept yelling at Zeke because JJ was lighting up Shane on the pick and roll, but the guy was tired for crying out loud sub in a guy with fresh legs is that so hard to see.

 

I can't post new threads because Clutch won't let me, so if one of you guys wanna take this and start a new thread to get the word out go ahead; i just thought it had some significance with the topic, I dunno if someone has already posted this.

JVG Coach of the Year? The Sports Guy sure thinks so: "And while we're here, nobody is allowed to mention another "Coach of the Year" candidate in 2007. The award goes to Jeff Van Gundy. Done and done. Let's agree not to bring this up again."

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/070223

 

Head did play hard last night, it was just not his night. but putting him on the bench is not a punishment, just try sometihings else might work. i really thingk we should use some snyder last night.

 

this thread = Help! the building is on fire! put out the match!

 

Where was all this "Popovich is God" talk when Van Gundy clearly out coached him in our past meetings? Oh yeah, I forgot, we just lost a game. There always going to be that one thread after a loss.......

 

dude, its still on the first page of this forum.
http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=125042

 

I agree with DD post about not using enough bench. And I agree with the Popvich comparison. (just not the logic, see below)

If you look at the Spurs their "big three" are averging 32 minutes per game. This is despite the Spurs having a very crappy bench. We have 3 regulars right now at 35+ minutes and are even having Deke playing a totally unsustainable 20 MPG (at his age he should be playing like 12). I totally disagree with playing role players in particular this much in the middle of the regular season, when capable NBA players like Snyder are on the bench.

I believe it is about 1) keeping your starters fresher for late season and the playoffs (clearly GPop's thinking) , and 2) developing the bench. Sitting them is not about delivering a message to vet professionals who are doing their best to fit their roles like like Deke, Howard, Shane, Rafer, etc. They don't need "messages". But they might need rest. Guys like Snyder and Hayes are the antedote for when energy and defense are needed, mix things up, use them, when the team is underperforming.

I also don't buy we can only use 2 of Wells, Snyder and Battier and only 1 can play at a given time. All of these guys are multiple position players. In some situations Battier and Wells can take on PF responsibilities even. Use their flexibility and interchangability, it is a good thing.

But this was Atl. A terrible offensive team. The effort was not there. If they team on the floor hadn't built a 10-15 point lead they were not doing the job. "Hanging around" with Atl is not what a good team with good effort should do.

 

Let's see...

When VSpan sucks, we should play him more because he will get better (it's a given, of course), even though he's never shown us he can in the NBA.

When a veteran that has proven in the past to be a good to very good player sucks in a game, we should bench him/criticize him on the sidelines.

Welcome to the bizarro world of coaching on this forum...

 

Yeah, JVG outcoached him last game. Let's forget their post season differences because of one regular season game. Phil J has always used and developed his bench as much as possible as well. But nah, why should we care how they have done things, what does postseason success have to do with anything.

 

DaDakota,

Maybe you should marry JVG so you can nag him about these kind of issues all day long,

Sincerely,

A Clutchfan whose tired of your obsession with JVG