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Juwon Howard on 610 right now

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by wardellp, Jan 18, 2006.

  1. Houston22

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    Guys calling JHo scrub just don't deserve their team to win. It's all coming back..

    So, no need to argue there krosfyah.
     
  2. russian88

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    EKG ...........hehe
     
  3. waihh

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    I always like JHo and Wesley. They play hard night in and night out. Yes. In some night they are mismatched by faster and stronger players. But that is not their fault. I see JHo step up his game when needed and DW defend Kobe and LJames well several times. Currently they are requested to play roles out of their ability at their age. But how can you blame a player if they play all out and never complain?
    It's all JVG's fault, period. And I am serious. Who else would have built a team like this!? It's all about injury? Let's talk about injury, then. Who did not know that TMac and Anderson are injury prone? And Swift never plays with a heart?
    It has been such a frustrating season. TMac fall, Rockets fall. If's that is the results of coaching, then do not pay someone 5 Million to do the job. Tinman can do a better one.
     
  4. KeepKenny

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    I did a little number crunching on Juwan before and after Yao went down.

    Before: 7.18 ppg, on 42% shooting.

    After: 17.46 ppg, on 48% shooting.

    Obviously, he's better at being the main post option rather than a supporting player. The shooting percentages jump out at me because Juwan should be getting more wide open looks with Tmac or Yao playing. Then again, his role in the offense was to take jumpshots. Ironically, his jumper is much better now that no one on the team can even draw the defense. Before Yao got hurt, Juwan was very much a scrub this year. It's nice that he has stepped up, but he should have been showing some of this confidence and assertiveness earlier.

    What ultimately matters is whether he can keep playing well once some guys get healthy. If he does that, we'll be in fine shape. For next year.
     
  5. tigermission1

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    It's called putting more pressure on yourself and taking more responsibility on your shoulders when you feel the team needs it.

    I think Juwon has always been a good scorer, but him and almost everyone else on the team seem to have that "let McGrady and Yao do it all and we will watch" attitude when both our guys are healthy and playing. If anything, Juwon has just shown that he can play like his old days still, so if those two guys come back and his scoring average tanks 10ppg, then he will hear it from the fans and should hear an earful from his coaches. Believe me, even when Yao and McGrady are healthy, there are more than enough points to be had, with Juwon and Wesley being the primary beneficiaries of those double-teams and wide-open shots.
     
  6. jopatmc

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    Juwon's stats post Yao don't say much. All it means is that teams know they have us overmatched and they are letting him take more uncontested shots so they can get the ball back and shoot it again. The only thing opposing defenses are doing to us is playing the passing lanes and trying to force us to speed up the tempo. Juwon could score 30 and the other teams wouldn't care because they know we cannot be efficient enough offensively to compete, especially if they force the action uptempo and increase possessions.
     
  7. tinman

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    its not about deserving to win or not. if Juwan averages 20pts we're losing, if he averages 30pts, we're playing 5 on 4. juwan is a role player and that's it, if you guys think he's better than that, then you must have graduated from Michigan.
     
  8. krosfyah

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    Howard is definately a role player. Maybe you don't like his game but he isn't a "scrub." Now, if you think he is cursed, that is a different issue. I can't argue with that.

    Unfortunately, JHow isn't really tradable. But again, that is the least of our problems.

    I'd parallel Howard's career to Jerry Stackhouse. Guys that have been on bad teams and asked to be the #1 option ...but shouldn't have been. They are both role players.
     
  9. tinman

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    yeah he's a role player, and we're getting rolled!

    damn yao's toe damn it!
     
  10. krosfyah

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    Yup, when JHow is your #1 or even #2 option, you are in BIG trouble. But it isn't Juwan's fault he is the #1 option so I don't blame him.

    b****ing about Juwan is like complaining that the cabins in the Titanic aren't very comforatble.
     
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    If the Rockets want to go on massive losing streak with Juwon Howard padding his stats and tbeing he main scoring option, then Juwon can play the role perfectly well. And he is proving it. As he always has with other teams.

    If the Rockets want to win a championship, on the other hand, and they wish to keep him as the starting PF, then yeah, he is a scrub for sure. PF upgrade is needed badly.

    I have always said and, and will keep saying it...As long as Juwon Howard is the starting PF for the Rockets, they are NOT winning WC finals or NBA finals. He is a liability.
     
  12. Zboy

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    Actually, I called JHo a scrub even when he was playing with the Wizards, Nuggets, etc...

    My team was still winning back then though. It's just that the team HE was on wasnt winning anything. ;)

    But now he is on my team....Dang! :mad:
     
  13. xcomputerman

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    I disagree though. I think Juwon is an excellent PF. Obviously not one of the best in the game, but I know there are teams around the NBA that would drool at the possibility of having him man their 4 even in a starting position. Now truth be told, Juwan isn't even supposed to be starting this season. He's supposed to be a backup PF behind Stro who so far hasn't panned out for us. But then as it is, we haven't even had the chance to play together as a full team for any significant amount of time this season. If everybody were healthy, with Stro and Juwan at PF we're as deep as anybody else in this league at the 4. We don't need them to be superstars, we already have our two superstars in Yao and Tracy.

    I mean come on, with the exception of last night when he was doubleteamed throughout, Juwan has been averaging nearly 20 points/10 rebounds per game since Tracy's back went out. How many role-playing power forwards in this league can boast of a stat like that?
     
  14. tinman

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    Exactly. he's averaging 20pts when our top scorers are out. it's because our top scorers are out. Carl Herrera would average 20 pts also if Dream were out.

    He was double teamed because we have no one left that can score in the low post. am i impressed that he can score points on a crap team (no tmac/yao/sura=crap team)? no.
    he scored lots of points with the wiz/magic when they sucked too.

    you keep forgetting that we as Rockets fans go to the game to see them win, not to see one dude increase his stats while we're getting whipped by the Atlanta Hawks.

    people arent drooling over Juwan. Juwan isn't the hot rumored trade talk around the league.

    I'll give him credit, he tries hard and works well when have 100% of our team healthy. Other than that, he's Chucky Brown with a big name.
     
  15. krosfyah

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    No he wouldn't.

    And I have always said this team will go as far as TMac and Yao take us. The reason we are on a losing streak right now is because TMac and Yao are out ...not because Juwan is playing well in their absence. :rolleyes:
     
  16. tinman

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    Carl herrera > Juwon Howard.

    This is not even close.
     
  17. krosfyah

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    Woops, you have a typo. I think you accidentally used ">" rather than "<"

    Because only somebody in crack would suggest that a career 6ppg player is ">" a career 17ppg player. ;)
     
  18. xcomputerman

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    Are you sure? It seems reasonable given the empirical evidence to assume tinman is, in fact, on crack. ;)
     
  19. tinman

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    championships (scoring on pat ewing in the finals)> losing records
    oh let me add

    ROBERT HORRY > Juwan Howard X6
     
  20. xcomputerman

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    Dude, I know you hate Juwan Howard more than Lucifer. But I'd hate to see you give yourself a heart attack for nothing ... not to be the bearer of bad news, but I just heard from Juwan's agent this morning. He says Juwan doesn't give a flying rabbit's left nut about your opinion. :)
     

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