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Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by jordnnnn, Oct 25, 2021.

  1. jordnnnn

    jordnnnn Member

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    No commentary. Just the teams offensive/defensive and net rating with each player on the floor through the first 3 games.

    Only including players playing >18MPG

    Team Rank : Player : Offensive Rating : Defensive Rating : Net

    1: Tate : 101.1 : 92.5 : +8.6
    2 : Porter : 103.0 : 102.5 : +0.5
    3 : Sengun : 103.1 : 104.0 : -0.9
    4 : Wood: 102.8 : 105.0 : -2.2
    5 : Gordon : 101.8 : 109.6 : -7.8
    6 : Theis : 99.2 : 113.8 : -14.6
    7 : Green : 96.5 : 112.7 : -16.2
     
  2. Corrosion

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    Tate is awesome .... what's your point ?
     
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    lol Intentionally made no point so I wouldn’t be confused as a hater. But it does seem that our team has been good with Tate on the floor…
     
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    The eye test with Porter Jr does not match this.

    But the sample size is incredibly small with 1 blowout, 1 solid win and 1 solid loss. Tons of noise vs signal in this *team stat*.
     
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    Time of possession per game

    1 : Porter : 5.5 minutes
    2 : Green : 3.0
    3 : Augustin : 2.4
    4 : Wood : 2.3
    5 : Gordon : 1.7
    6 : Tate : 1.4

    Touches Per game

    1 : Porter : 68.0
    2 : Wood : 58.3
    3 : Green : 44.3
    4 : Tate : 36.7
    5 : Gordon : 31.0
    6 : Sengun : 29.7
    7 : Augustin : 26.0

    Drives per game

    1 : Porter : 8.0 (60th in NBA)
    2 : Green : 7.3
    3 : Gordon : 6.7
    4 : Sengun : 3.0
     
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  6. ApacheWarrior

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    I choose to throw out the numbers of that first throw away trash game

    last two games are closer to what the Rockets will
    end up being in October
     
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    usage

    KPJr: 28%
    Green: 21%

    yet according to DD, Jalen Green is stifling KPJr’s development as a PG…

    Is he supposed to have 30+% usage, have his time of possession at 7-8 minutes, and have his touches at 80-90? Smh
     
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  8. NewAge

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    These usage numbers are not by design. Remember usage is: FGA+TO+FTA / POSESSIONS
    The 19 TOs by KPJ is definitely not by design. Many of these possessions would have been ended by somebody else. KPJ usage #s will go down when his TOs go down.
    Also, Green is getting no whistles, which is also not by design. His usage #s will go up when they start calling fouls against him.
    So the usage number is misleading, Green's usage is designed to be higher, he is well featured, don't worry.
     
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    bahaha of course that's your opinion. A win and a semi-close loss are what the Rockets will be not the blow out loss. Bravo sir
     
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  10. NewAge

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    this +/- number for JG seems a bit fluky, I’m OK with him having bad +/- even for the entire season. The idea is to have a superstar, he needs to get high volume of shots, including bad shots. Trae Young, Booker, Lavine they all went through this "empty calorie numbers” phase. Kobe’s legendary airballs… Much better than him trying to fit-in and be concerned about efficiency and team success at this point. I read how Ben Simmons complained that he didn’t have that opportunity to go through such phase. There is some truth to that.
     
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    Some random lineup numbers

    Only groupings that have played at least a completely arbitrary 24 minutes together and have a + net rating

    2 Man Lineups
    1 : Tate/Gordon(34 minutes) : +27.0
    2 : Tate/Sengun(26 minutes) : +22.6
    3 : Tate/Wood(72 minutes) : +9.6
    4 : Wood/Sengun(32 minutes) : +5.2
    5 : Porter/Tate(75 minutes) : +5.0
    6 : Porter/Sengun(26 minutes) : +4.9
    7 : Porter/Wood(81 minutes) : +2.9
    8 : Porter/Gordon(38 minutes) : +2.4

    3 Man Lineups
    1 : Porter/Tate/Gordon(24 minutes) : +22.3
    2 : Porter/Wood/Gordon(28 minutes) : +15.0
    3 : Porter/Wood/Tate(69 minutes) : +9.3
    4 : Gordon/Wood/Sengun(26 minutes) : +8.1
    5 : Wood/Theis/Tate(45 minutes) : +2.1
    6 : Wood/Theis/Porter(49 minutes) : +2.0
    7 : Wood/Green/Tate(62 minutes) : +0.6

    4 Man Lineups
    1: Wood/Theis/Porter/Tate(45 minutes) : +2.1

    5 Man Lineups(only 1 met the minutes criteria, but had a negative net rating
    1 : Wood/Green/Porter/Tate/Theis(43 minutes) : -2.2
     
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    To me, this is one of the biggest questions regarding fit that needs to be answered: can Wood and Sengun coexist effectively on defense?
     
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    Number matches the eye test.

    Tate works hard on D.
     
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    I toll y’all Tate is the best player on our team
     
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    Total +/- for players with at least 25 minutes played

    1 : Nwaba(37 minutes) : +22
    2 : Tate(85 minutes) : +13
    3 : Sengun(56 minutes) : +3
    4 : House(25 minutes) : +1
    5 : Porter(92 minutes) : -1
    6 : Wood(101 minutes) : -7
    7 : Gordon(75 minutes) : -13
    8 : Augustin(36 minutes) : -17
    9 : Theis(61 minutes) : -20
    10 : Green(94 minutes) : -38
     
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    Not sure who is saying usage is the culprit behind this duo's inefficiency.

    It is that they are both poor defenders that concern me.

    But per OP stats, Porter is a better defender than he gets credit for, so my concern regarding Scoot's defense may be exaggerated.
     
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    What they provide offensively may offset these concerns.

    Because we know that any Theis lineup with either player is putrid on offense AND defense.

     
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    I love how the youngest guy on the court is directing traffic.
     
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    No you missed my conversation with your cohort @Bobbythegreat who was saying
    Jalen Green should have more turnovers due to blocks and other nonsense which
    occurred in game 1. Making up phantom stuff/stats.

    I was taking a jab at him.

    But eventually we will all, look at Green and previous 10 games to see the
    maturation of basketball progress at work.

    Just like Mobley fans will look at Mobley from day one game one to game
    20 or 30 or 40. Somewhere around game 70 people tend to say these
    rookies are not rookies any more.

    Why? Why not say game one that they are not rookies anymore? Because they
    are getting use to the speed of the game, athletic abilities, length & greater skill levels
    of players in the league. Also team schemes. Ahhhh. It's a little more complex
    than some would want us to believe.
     
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    Last edited: Oct 25, 2021
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