TERRIBLE POST. 1) hayes is our BEST individual defender. and what are you complaining about? he saw 11 minutes. we'll need him when the other PFs get hot (blazers' aldridge is a perfect example) 2) yes, head got 24 mins, which was too much, esp. when he went 1-8. but again, OFFENSE was not the problem tonight. when your defense and rebounding sucked like it did, you'll lose. those things keep you in games even when you struggle offensively (we shot 49% by the way), but when it's that bad, you're not going to win. we need to find our identity again. defense and rebounding should always be our constants. but yet, we have adelman and rafer talking about lack of offense after the game
I'm sick of you whining. Head is 6'3''. He's a proven quality bench player. Believe it or not, or team actually plays best when Hayes is at center. Hayes is our best post defender, period. Anyone who denies that is delusional. P.S. Dorsey is undersized as hell too.
Hayes is a GREAT post defender...not good....GREAT..... But, when we play teams with athletic PFs they jump right over him.....and he struggles. Hayes has the teams that he is effective against and the ones that he isn't....play him when they play the Duncans, Boozers, Brands of the world and sit him against teams that use athletes without a post up game at the PF spot. DD
The thread title should be changed to Just stating an opinion. Your belief that Chuck Hayes should never see the floor is not a fact. Hayes is great in some situations. There are times he is exactly what we need. He isn't a star, but his defense is often needed, especially when teams have a center that shoots from the outside and has some quickness. It's nice to have Hayes there to go out and guard that guy. Without Hayes and his ability to patch holes in our defense our team would be exploited a heck of a lot more than they are now.
Hayes didn't play well yesterday. I don't recall Warrick owning him in the past, though. Hakim had a good game, and Hayes (in limited minutes) was out of sync. Next time we play the Grizzlies, I'd have no reservations on using Hayes to defend him, though.
I am not making excuses, well maybe I am, but part of the problem is about 30 seconds into his time on the court Violet (who I swear doesn't like him cause she always picks on him) called him for a foul that was all ball. Then two possessions (slight exaggeration) later called him for foul when he didn't even touch the guy going for a shot. That started him off on a bad night and it just got worse from there.
+1 to that. And to think we had a "Do you still think we should trade Head" thread after his ONE good game against the Spurs. I understand him playing with the injuries we have right now. But once we get healthy, he definitely needs to go.
The fact is that Luther Head is the stupid player in this team I have ever seen, he should not played more than five min last night, and Wafer should play more because he is young, has enough gas to play more min. Just as someone said in another thread, this coach is clueless at a time. Now I have to agree.
This wasn't his "1st" bad game by any means...Fridays game vs Golden State comes to mind as well as others.
I dont recall saying we lost because of Hayes...he's not as good of a defender that people make him out to be, and that's all he can do
So play Wafer 48 minutes you say? And then what do you do for todays game? Head played so much because our 1-2-3 rotation was Rafer, Brooks, Head, Wafer, and Battier. Thats 5 players over 3 positions. If everyone plays, the average minutes per game is 30... which is perfect considering the back to back situation. If Head doesn't play you are looking at 40 minutes a game for the other 4. Battier flat out can't play 40 minutes yet having just come off an injury. You don't want the other 3 playing 40 as they have to play again tonight. I was completely fine with this game until the end of the 3rd quarter. We were down by 22, but that was because they were jacking up contested jumpers and we couldn't seem to find a good shot (despite still shooting mid 40s in the first half). Then at the end of the 3rd there, Warrick went off on us. And that was the game... if they don't build that lead back up at the end of the 3rd, we can probably put enough pressure on them to force them into to crucial mistakes and win the game.
What has Head proven...that he can't hit the damn ocean in the playoffs? 6'3 or 6'2 it doesn't matter, Wafer is 6'5 and can do all the things Luther can Dorsey is undersized too, but he's athletic as hell and much strong er then Hayes....he was the Defensive player of the year on the best defensive team at Memphis last year
Yall need to get of hayes back that man comes and plays everynight. he gives heart, he battles with people thats bull sh**t that people say he shouldnt see the floor. The people who say that have no basketball knowledge what so ever. defense and fundamental basketball wins championships and he has both. Im tired of people who say they want an atheletic team on the floor you know ive seen and played alot of basketball the more fundamental the team on the court the more games won.
Chuck is a great defender especially on guys bigger than him. He has very quick hands and is very effective at getting his hands on the ball as the person he is guarding goes up for a shot. He lacks lateral quickness to guard the really quick/long players. That is why he struggled last night.
Today game? First Artest will come back, then either Head or Wafer will play a little. As a coach I will worry a game at time, plus that Head was terrible for 28 min? Anyway, my point is Head is the worst player on the team, it has been shown again and again until the coach can see it.
Head is a shooter, so he will always have a spot in the NBA somewhere. And he's not completely 1 dimensional in the sense that he can only shoot 3s and nothing else. Its just he can't finish around the basket and with Tmac and Artest out thats what this team needs. I'm perfectly fine with the guy being the Steve Novak of the team. Coming in when our offense is bad in hopes that he can bring a change of pace. And in that role he'll be fine. You missed the point a little. The point was that Luther HAD to play for around 30 minutes... otherwise you would have Alston, Brooks, Battier, Wafer averaging 40 minutes in that game. You don't want your players to have to play 40 minutes in a game in general... much less on a back to back. And as has already been mentioned before, the offense didn't lose us the game. The defense did... and it wasn't Head's defense.
Yes, our 43 year old savior from the Congo . . . I don't understand why anyone could say anything negative about the guy. He doesn't take many shots, he plays limited minutes to get on hot guys and usually he goes in with the combination of McGrady or Yao when our team is healthy. He hustles, gets boards, and plays defense at a 15 minute clip. He's not out there jacking up shots like Head. He's taken 40 shots in 20 games! 40! He's not causing turnovers. He just plays hard at an extreme reserve roll. He's exactly the kind of guy you want on the end of your bench. We know he's not one of our top guys. He knows he's not one of our top guys. If you are complaining about our third backup PF because all he can do is play defense and rebound, there is a problem.
