Just saw Terminator Salvation...

Outlier · Jul 25, 2009

I know I'm late to the game but I just had to make a post about this movie...

IMO, it was pretty good! better than 70% movies out there.

my only complaint is that the last fourth of the movie got cliche... with sam worthington turning against his master and then bale needing a heart.

but the first 3/4 of the movie was pretty awesome.

i can't see why people complain it was just a cg fest.

oh and by the way that sam worthington guy is an AWESOME actor and he has a bright future ahead of him.

that is all.

Outlier · Jul 25, 2009

oh and it was 99999 times better than friggin Transformers 2.

ClutchCityReturns · Jul 25, 2009

How about you DON'T spoil the movie?

If you have the edit ability, I suggest you go back and take that stuff out, or spoiler tag it.

Ziggy · Jul 25, 2009

ClutchCityReturns said:

How about you DON'T spoil the movie?

If you have the edit ability, I suggest you go back and take that stuff out, or spoiler tag it.
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I am done with spoiler complaints. From now on its your fault for not seeing the movie.

UTweezer · Jul 25, 2009

i know its obvious what happens when judgement day passes, but they could have beefed the story line describing the resistance build up and the AI evolution of skynet.

I guess we can't really expect much from mcG who direct charlies angels full throttle.

On a totally unrelated note; AVATAR is my #1 priority for this rest of the year.

I just saw moon. Very good movie. Sam Rockwell is very underrated.

ItsMyFault · Jul 25, 2009

You should have posted it in this thread buddy...

http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?p=4664090

Royals Ego · Jul 25, 2009

or the terminator salvation thread

KingLeoric · Jul 25, 2009

ClutchCityReturns said:

How about you DON'T spoil the movie?

If you have the edit ability, I suggest you go back and take that stuff out, or spoiler tag it.
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this

Luckyazn · Jul 25, 2009

Just a few hours ago I sat down with director McG for an exclusive video interview about making “Terminator Salvation”. In the coming days I’ll post our entire conversation, but I wanted to post one of the highlights right now.

That’s because he told me the upcoming “Terminator Salvation” DVD/Blu-ray is going to come with between 30 to 40 minutes of deleted scenes!

Since I have heard many filmmakers tell me crazy numbers like this and then it ends up not being true, I followed up with him about that number. He insisted that we’re going to get at least 30 minutes.

Since I can’t talk about the film due to my embargo, let me just say watching 30 more minutes of Christian Bale fighting Terminators sounds great to me.

Anyway, posted below is about a minute and a half of my interview with McG. If you want to go in spoiler free, I STRONGLY suggest not watching this clip. McG speaks freely about the alternate ending on the DVD and what else to expect. I don’t want to ruin the movie for anyone.

You’ve been warned. But if you don't mind spoilers, I just posted 10 movie clips from "Terminator Salvation", so click here to watch them.

McG talks deleted scenes

· I ask how many minutes of deleted scenes are on the DVD/Blu-ray – he says 30 to 40 minutes!!

· Talks about the deleted scenes – some of John Conner giving speeches, Moon Bloodgood topless, alternate ending

· Says he walks into the frame and shows the storyboards versus the actual frame

· I then ask if this is going to be one of those times where the filmmaker tells me one thing, but the actual DVD will only have a fraction of them. He insists there are 30 minutes of deleted scenes on the DVD

AggieDentist · Jul 25, 2009

wtf? please use spoiler tags next time, OP. not cool at all.

rockets934life · Jul 25, 2009

I actually liked the movie and of course was way better then T3....Only real complaint is to many loopholes which seems to be the order of the day when it comes to action sequels now a days ala TF2.

JunkyardDwg · Jul 25, 2009

Those deleted scenes are nothing new... that news has been out since May.

I always thought the movie would have fared better with the alternate ending. You could see it heading that way, but they just didn't have the guts to follow through with it.

In any case, you could put all the extra scenes into it you want, it's probably not gonna change the fact that the movie has no soul. And more Christian Bale is not a good thing. There should have been far less of him as it is.

I can't sit through all of T3, it's that horrible. But I will say the last 5 minutes of T3 is miles better than ALL of T4.

Microfridge · Jul 25, 2009

This movie has been out for more than 2 months. If you haven't seen it, you probably don't care that much about the movie. Don't get so worked up over spoilers. I haven't seen it and don't care too particularly about the movie, so there

ClutchCityReturns · Jul 25, 2009

Microfridge said:

This movie has been out for more than 2 months. If you haven't seen it, you probably don't care that much about the movie. Don't get so worked up over spoilers. I haven't seen it and don't care too particularly about the movie, so there
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Not everyone can make it to the movies every week, and movies are constantly coming out, especially in summer. Just because someone hasn't seen one doesn't mean they don't want to. In fact, lots of people wait for DVD now because the turnaround is so fast.

If the movie is a couple of years old, then that's a little different. The point is, it's courteous to put

tags in your post...and it only takes about 3 seconds.

rimrocker · Jul 25, 2009

We need to pay attention to the Terminator movies so we can learn how to defeat the machines... looks like they might be here soon...

July 26, 2009
Scientists Worry Machines May Outsmart Man
By JOHN MARKOFF
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/26/science/26robot.html?_r=1&hp=&pagewanted=print

A robot that can open doors and find electrical outlets to recharge itself. Computer viruses that no one can stop. Predator drones, which, though still controlled remotely by humans, come close to a machine that can kill autonomously.

Impressed and alarmed by advances in artificial intelligence, a group of computer scientists is debating whether there should be limits on research that might lead to loss of human control over computer-based systems that carry a growing share of society’s workload, from waging war to chatting with customers on the phone.

Their concern is that further advances could create profound social disruptions and even have dangerous consequences.

As examples, the scientists pointed to a number of technologies as diverse as experimental medical systems that interact with patients to simulate empathy, and computer worms and viruses that defy extermination and could thus be said to have reached a “cockroach” stage of machine intelligence.

While the computer scientists agreed that we are a long way from Hal, the computer that took over the spaceship in “2001: A Space Odyssey,” they said there was legitimate concern that technological progress would transform the work force by destroying a widening range of jobs, as well as force humans to learn to live with machines that increasingly copy human behaviors.

The researchers — leading computer scientists, artificial intelligence researchers and roboticists who met at the Asilomar Conference Grounds on Monterey Bay in California — generally discounted the possibility of highly centralized superintelligences and the idea that intelligence might spring spontaneously from the Internet. But they agreed that robots that can kill autonomously are either already here or will be soon.

They focused particular attention on the specter that criminals could exploit artificial intelligence systems as soon as they were developed. What could a criminal do with a speech synthesis system that could masquerade as a human being? What happens if artificial intelligence technology is used to mine personal information from smart phones?

The researchers also discussed possible threats to human jobs, like self-driving cars, software-based personal assistants and service robots in the home. Just last month, a service robot developed by Willow Garage in Silicon Valley proved it could navigate the real world.

A report from the conference, which took place in private on Feb. 25, is to be issued later this year. Some attendees discussed the meeting for the first time with other scientists this month and in interviews.

The conference was organized by the Association for the Advancement of Artificial Intelligence, and in choosing Asilomar for the discussions, the group purposefully evoked a landmark event in the history of science. In 1975, the world’s leading biologists also met at Asilomar to discuss the new ability to reshape life by swapping genetic material among organisms. Concerned about possible biohazards and ethical questions, scientists had halted certain experiments. The conference led to guidelines for recombinant DNA research, enabling experimentation to continue.

The meeting on the future of artificial intelligence was organized by Eric Horvitz, a Microsoft researcher who is now president of the association.

Dr. Horvitz said he believed computer scientists must respond to the notions of superintelligent machines and artificial intelligence systems run amok.

The idea of an “intelligence explosion” in which smart machines would design even more intelligent machines was proposed by the mathematician I. J. Good in 1965. Later, in lectures and science fiction novels, the computer scientist Vernor Vinge popularized the notion of a moment when humans will create smarter-than-human machines, causing such rapid change that the “human era will be ended.” He called this shift the Singularity.

This vision, embraced in movies and literature, is seen as plausible and unnerving by some scientists like William Joy, co-founder of Sun Microsystems. Other technologists, notably Raymond Kurzweil, have extolled the coming of ultrasmart machines, saying they will offer huge advances in life extension and wealth creation.

“Something new has taken place in the past five to eight years,” Dr. Horvitz said. “Technologists are replacing religion, and their ideas are resonating in some ways with the same idea of the Rapture.”

The Kurzweil version of technological utopia has captured imaginations in Silicon Valley. This summer an organization called the Singularity University began offering courses to prepare a “cadre” to shape the advances and help society cope with the ramifications.

“My sense was that sooner or later we would have to make some sort of statement or assessment, given the rising voice of the technorati and people very concerned about the rise of intelligent machines,” Dr. Horvitz said.

The A.A.A.I. report will try to assess the possibility of “the loss of human control of computer-based intelligences.” It will also grapple, Dr. Horvitz said, with socioeconomic, legal and ethical issues, as well as probable changes in human-computer relationships. How would it be, for example, to relate to a machine that is as intelligent as your spouse?

Dr. Horvitz said the panel was looking for ways to guide research so that technology improved society rather than moved it toward a technological catastrophe. Some research might, for instance, be conducted in a high-security laboratory.

The meeting on artificial intelligence could be pivotal to the future of the field. Paul Berg, who was the organizer of the 1975 Asilomar meeting and received a Nobel Prize for chemistry in 1980, said it was important for scientific communities to engage the public before alarm and opposition becomes unshakable.

“If you wait too long and the sides become entrenched like with G.M.O.,” he said, referring to genetically modified foods, “then it is very difficult. It’s too complex, and people talk right past each other.”

Tom Mitchell, a professor of artificial intelligence and machine learning at Carnegie Mellon University, said the February meeting had changed his thinking. “I went in very optimistic about the future of A.I. and thinking that Bill Joy and Ray Kurzweil were far off in their predictions,” he said. But, he added, “The meeting made me want to be more outspoken about these issues and in particularly be outspoken about the vast amounts of data collected about our personal lives.”

Despite his concerns, Dr. Horvitz said he was hopeful that artificial intelligence research would benefit humans, and perhaps even compensate for human failings. He recently demonstrated a voice-based system that he designed to ask patients about their symptoms and to respond with empathy. When a mother said her child was having diarrhea, the face on the screen said, “Oh no, sorry to hear that.”

A physician told him afterward that it was wonderful that the system responded to human emotion. “That’s a great idea,” Dr. Horvitz said he was told. “I have no time for that.”
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