Just for Princess: Lynching and developing a better sense of humor about race

That too.

 

Thanks guys! Being fought over always makes a girl smile

 

Back to the topic at hand,

I don't quite get this debate. No numbers are thrown about to assess what the magnitude is, only that Princess thinks they are an overstatement. Are the numbers discussed in another thread?

Princess, what are the numbers that have been exaggerrated? 1,000? 100,000? 1,000,000? Over what period of time? Since your statement lacks specificity but includes a factual claim, it implies bias and ignorance. That, I imagine, is what set Mrs. Costello off.

BTW, with all of the smilies in this thread, lets remember the gravity of the topic.

 

What, you don't like the smilies?

They're more relevant than this topic.

Princess wants the whole topic of racism to die out, I think. You guys can box her in a corner if you want, but that's won't change anything. Rehashing old crimes does not make the crimes go away, it just reinforces a feeling of victimhood. That solves nothing...

Racism will die if people let it die and stop crying about what used to happen. It will not die if noone lets it.

OK, I am ready for the "racist" onslaught...

 

When racism dies out, I'm sure the topic will, too.

 

Yes, ignore it and it will go away.

Think we should do the same for the "Avis of Evil".

 

treeman, I'm curious if you would say the same thing about those who deny the holocaust? or who say 'it wasn't as bad as it was made out to be.' does dialogue about the holocaust only serve to reinforce Jewish feelings of victimhood? you seem to want to FORGET these things happened. sure you'll say 'not forget, but it was in the past, not now.' To borrow Haven's phrase from yesterday, its the functional equivalent. You generally seem to be a student of history: how can you forget the famous 'those who DON'T learn history's mistakes are bound to repeat it.' If Princess DOESN'T understand the magnitude or scope of racism, how can she proactively work against racism in the future? Won't she be MORE susceptible to racism in the future (ala her David Duke white's rights rhetoric)?

And I have to say I was shocked to see you contend that those in slavery were 'better off' than some in the period. What a massive contradiction to your on-line patriotic personality! Freedom is SUPPOSED to be the value we hold MOST dear. 'Give me liberty or give me death!!! Remember that? I would rather live in the most abject poverty for 100 years than live one year as a slave in a palace.

Say it aint so, Joe.

 

If there were other threads about Poison and Winger, I would probably just add to those, rather than start a new one. Except I would probably throw in some Bang Tango, Pretty Boy Floyd, Warrant, and Bullet Boys. You wanna start one?

 

What's so bad about rent -a- cars?

 

Avis is bad, it's bad.



That was supposed to read "Axis of Evil".

 

Well, now I really want Freak to start a "Winger rocks!" thread.

Of course, that would only be rehashing negatives of the past and keep our civilization from making real progress. Just think of all of the younger posters who have never even heard the "W-word" who will fall under the influence of a suggestive thread, go buy some of Winger's tapes (do you really think CD's were wasted on that crap?) and fall under the spell of androgynous testosterone music.

Mrs JB (I hate calling you this),

I think that most of the girls are too busy cooking and cleaning to post on the BBS...

 

Heading for a Heartbreak was one of my all-time favorite songs of the late '80s. I even bought a CD called "Hair Bands of the '80s" from VH-1 specifically for that song plus "c*m On Feel the Noize" by Quiet Riot.

Not bad stuff when done right.

 

It Didn't only happen in the Deep South

By the summer of 1863 the Union Army was desperately in need of more soldiers. Following the passage of the first national Draft Act in March 1863, a draft was held in New York City on July 11, 1863. Another was planned for July 13. Because a clause in the federal Draft Act allowed men to buy themselves out of the draft for $300, men who could not afford the fee were angry. After the draft on July 13, many people rioted, beating police officers and storming throughout the streets, attacking people and burning buildings.

The targets of the fiercest attacks were African-Americans. Rioters blamed the war on slavery, and so feared competition for jobs from freed slaves if slavery was abolished. In their minds, free African-Americans were seen as an economic threat. The rioters targeted sites associated with African Americans, burning down the Colored Orphan Asylum on July 13. During the next three days, at least eleven black men were brutally murdered by mobs.





The Riots in New York:
The Mob Lynching a Negro in Clarkson Street

 

No one tries to degrade what happened to the Jewish people just like no one tries to degrade what happened to blacks. I dont hear Jewish people complain over and over about what a raw deal they have had in the past. Jewish people have been persecuted all through out history and have had a pretty bad deal. And guess what, they were enslaved before also. It isnt like WWII was that long ago for them and they seemed to have gotten to a point where they can move forward. Asian people were put into concentration camps in the US during WWII and we dont hear them saying how they are owed something. I just get fed up with hearing how bad everyone has it. If you dont like where you are in life, change it. Be an adult, better yourself, and change whatever crappy circumstances you have. I think it is also pretty childish how the people on this bbs have ganged up and trashed Princess. This entire thread was designed to humiliate and hurt. Really good going guys. Thats the way to change peoples minds.

 

To prevent future genocide, you have to understand how those that have already happened, happened. To understand how to move away from racism, you have to understand what it is, and what forms it takes.

Denial accomplishes nothing but retrenchment.

When you say 'its wasn't that bad' (which REALLY is just INSANE) or when you say 'i don't really think there were that many lynchings, that's exaggerated' then you are in denial.

WAKE UP. If you are not part of the solution then you are part of the problem.

 

Could you please give us a link to this research? Logic is one thing, I'll take that straight from you. But if you want to say that research has been to the contrary, I want a link or a citation.

This is almost mind-numbing. Right now, your wishful thinking is being pitted against cited research! And you think we simply "hate" your beliefs? It's not that we hate them: we know they're patently false!

Some things are undiscoverable. But this is not one of them! History might not be entirely objective, but discovery can be made regarding the last few centuries... and this is certainly within the bounds of historically verifiable fact!

Princess, there are two things you can do when confronted with argumetns that demonstrably ruin your own beliefs: you can do the rational thing, and suspend your belief until it's confirmed by better evidence... or you can enter denial.

You're entering denial. Believe what you want... but don't pull this "my opinion is equally valid" crap. Unless it's logically stated or factually evidenced... it's not.

 

Racism will die if people let it die and stop crying about what used to happen.

???

Racism still happens in this country, every day. Should we ignore that? Just because the number of lynchings is down doesn't mean that blacks, Hispanics, Asians, etc. aren't discriminated against on a daily basis by overt and more subtle acts.

Fixing a problem starts by acknowledging its existence.

 

I agree that you have to understand you past or you are destined to repeat it. With understanding comes acceptance which is the opposite of denial. Trying to say that it isnt that bad is denial and I agree that it is a bad thing.

But

There also has to come a time where people start to heal and start leaving the past in the past. Say you are in a relationship with someone and she cheats on you. Now you decide to forgive her and you continue the relationship. Now you dont forget what happened and it would piss you off if she tried to tell you that it really isnt that bad or not that big of a deal. But you have to also let the past be in the past if you want the relationship to work. You cannot always throw it in her face and continuously tell her how bad she treated you in the past. You have to forgive but not forget. I know that a relationship with a partner cheating on you is not the same as what happened to black people in the past but the principles behind how to deal with it after the fact is relatively the same. Does that make sense? or am I way off base here. I know yesterday we had some heated words and I am trying to discuss this civilly.

 

So we should forget about the WTC victims in 35 years or so?

 

Totally different. You are so far off base it's ridiculous. And it's been a lot longer than that since we had slavery. And I'm not asking anyone to forget. It's about moving on. You can only use something as an excuse for so long. I'm not blaming any problems I have today because my German ancestors were forced out of their country or because women here were oppressed. You don't forget, but you move on.