Just Dreaming: The Cat for John Stockton - What would happen?

Magic Johnson or Issiah Thomas ..but they are still a couple thousand assists behind Stocton...They are both probably available ..and the Rockets wouldnt even have to give up their best pure shooter to get them....

 

Here's what you do to decide if this trade is worthwile or not. Think to yourself, "What would CD do?" He would not make this trade and for good reason. The Cat for Stockton isn't a dream, it's a nightmare. Stockton doesn't make us a championship team, hell, if he couldn't win one with the Jazz in his prime, how's he gonna help us win one now that he's 40?

Some of you guys need to chill out already. One game has been played and still some of you think this season is over. At least put blame where it belongs, I'm tired of hearing about this "Cat and Steve are only about personal stats" talk. Prove it. If your going to say dumbass things like that, prove it. We didn't lose the game because of them, they put in a hell of an effort, the rest of the team let them down, that's what happened. Steve had a career night and people are complaining about what he did in the game. So what if he only got 4 assists? He wasn't playing PG in that game, Griffin was shooting like he had a blindfold on, Cato went 2 for 8, Boki is proving that he's only good in practice, and Ming isn't ready.

You guys love to act like the gods of analysts, but you don't even bother to think things through. Let's just imagine if Ming got 10 touches in his 11 minutes(Of course this is impossible, but instead of blaming Rudy for not playing him, you guys insist that Steve should have just given him the ball every time). Even if he shoots 60 percent, we still don't win. Considering that Steve and Mobley were shooting pretty well, you don't just add 12 points to that game's score, you have to consider that they would have scored less. Let it go, we only had 9 players in that game. 3 of them are rookies, one of them is a Jason Collier, Griffin is a 2nd year player who is pretty timid if you ask me, Moochie with a sore finger, and Kelvin Cato. That team couldn't even beat the Warriors.

And also, enough with the "Francis" should play SG talk. His #'s would be pretty similar to Iverson's if they did that, but it means he'd have an awful FG% and would get killed by opposing guards like Bryant(6'7" 230 pounds, he's bigger than Kenny T.), Carter, Stackhouse, Jordan, Pierce, McGrady, Allen, Wells, and so on.

 

i've suggested it NUMEROUS times and been flogged for it just as many times:


andre freakin' miller....

 

If you want the next Jason Kidd, then we need to get Jason Kidd or Andre Miller. Jeez, I can't even imagine watching Steve having to force himself to play like those guys. There's a reason why Kidd is the best PG in the league and that's because he's the best damn passer. What he does ins't easy, you can't expect other players to be like Kidd. Besides Miller, who else right now can average 10 apg? Nobody. You don't seem to understand that Kidd's passing abilities are pretty damn special and not something that can just be learned. I want Francis to be Francis, I guy who can avg 24 ppg, 7 apg, and 6 rpg. When this team is healthy, those are the type of #'s he puts up. What's wrong with #'s like that? Would you prefer 13ppg, 9apg, and 6 rpg? Francis may not be the passer that Kidd is, but he is a tripple double threat like Kidd and he's a better scorer.

 

God please tell you're kidding. . .

 

no it's not viable because our backcourt would be a bigger seive than it already is. cat is a MUCH better defender than steve. plus, i like the salary ramifications of cat/dre more than steve/cat.

 

The Question is would Andre Miller for Cuttino Mobley be a viable trade?

Answer: NO!! for the same reason stated above

 

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No team in their right mind would accept Cuttino Mobley in exchange for Andre Miller. Miller is a proven playmaker and leader on the court. Mobley is a one-trick pony who disrupts offensive schemes through is ball-hogging.

 

couldn't you just sub steve francis' name in there for cuttino, Trader_Jorge?

 

I think that would work... I honestly believe Steve is better off at the Two, Andre at point.... I wish we could make this trade Andre - Cuttino !!! Although we might have the answer on our bench maybe with enough playing time, Tito can be a true point, the few games he played in college, he looked nice to me... But wishful thinking i guess...

 

If you guys don't mind being way over the cap and making Steve guard guys like Kobe Bryant and T-Mac, then by all means make this trade. By the way, why would the Clipps make this deal when they don't have another PG besides the unproven Jaric?

 

How about Francis for Miller and one of the Clipps SFs? Then we have the true point guard, we have the scoring two guard and we shore up our weakest position. That or we could just try to have someone play point forward so Francis and Mobley can both play the two guard.

 

Verse,

Would you mind proving Miller is more of a leader and player than either mobley or francis?

And don't mention college, because steve and cuttino had about the same success in the NCAA's as andre.

Because from what I see, he didnt do anything to make the cavs better during his tenure, and his first game with LAC was oh yeah a loss to a team fighting for position in the Lebron James race, at home.

Have fun.

 

Mass suicide, I'd ask to be put out of my misery!

What the $#*^ with all this Stockton trade crap, go away Jazz fans!

 

Can someone tell me the last time a team led by a pure point guard won a championship?

And don't say Magic, because he was a one-of-a-kind all-around player.


Players like Stockton, Kidd, and Miller will never win championships. They can pass all they like, but if they can't create their own shots, they're only good in the regular season.


No, all-around guards like Magic, Jordan, and Isaiah Thomas win titles.

If Gary Payton had been on the Nets instead of Kidd, they would have challenged the Lakers in the finals. He scores, and gets players involved.

Francis is only two measly assists behind Payton's average. Give him more than one game.

 

easy.


turn on your tv. change the channel to a game where andre miller is playing. watch him rack up 10-15 assists - VALUABLE ASSISTS, NOT BAIL OUT ASSISTS. then watch as he looks to create for his teammates 1st, himself 2nd.

it would be too easy to just say "hey look at last years stats...andre led the league in assists". all that is true, but the true story lies in the way he plays the game. andre miller is one of the very, very, very few PURE point guards in the nba. meaning he pushes the ball at all times and penetrates with the CONSCIOUS INTENTION of creating for his teammates. by contrast, francis penetrates with the purpose of scoring and usually passes as a bail out. those are two completely different things.

like i said, turn on the tv and you'll see it.

 

ZRB,

like it or not magic johnson and zeke thomas were both pure point guards. so was dennis johnson.

 

Andre Miller had 15pts, 14assists, and only one measely turnover.

The Clippers lost to the horrible, horrible Cavaliers.

Same show, different station.